PAGE FOUR Editorial Opinion Students Not Consulted Dean Emeritus of Admissions C. 0. Williams said in a letter to the editor yesterday that the students were consulted on a major policy issue when the four term plan was presented to the 1960 Encampment at Mont Alto. We disagree. Granted, the plan was first outlined to students a day before it was released to the public, but this does not mean the students were consulted. Granted, the students accepted it at that time, but what else could they do. They were riot prepared for such an announcement. They had no time to consider this major educational change and its effects, nor did they have a chance to dis cuss it before the plan was officially adopted. It had already been signed, sealed and delivered. liad the students had any valid suggestions or view points on the proposed system, it was already too late for them to be considered because the plan had already been adopted. This - is not "consulting the students," it is merely extending the courtesy of informing them one day before informing the rest of the state. A Reading Problem The already strained line of administrative-student, communications that every one talks about but no one* does anything about is further complicated by students who don't discern what their eyes actually see. Every day this newspaper receives letters from stu dents who confuse administration and faculty, adminis tration and'committee, administration and student leader, administration and senate, etc. Many readers are not astute enough to differentiate between action actually taken or statements actually made by members of the administration, and action. or state ments by members of the faculty. the Senate (faculty and administration). or Senate committees (faculty adminis tration and student.) _ - If students consider the actions taken by any of these groups to be detrimental to the student interest they im mediately heap blame and ridicule upon the administra tion without being fair enough to criticize the administra tion only for its actions and not falsely accuse it of actions taken by other groups. This only compounds the problem. Cooperation Requested The Inter-College Council Board's recent decision to have the college council presidents investigate the possi bility of having certain classrooms open in the evening for study purposes is a commendable one. The increased educational pressure which has re sulted -from the four term plan, and the crowded condi tions at the Pattee Libary prompted this move. Specific rooms that will be opened to students have already hen announced by some of the council presidents. We hope all the College Deans will cooperate with the college councils in their bid to increase the use of the University's educational facilities. Library Action Praised Term system adjustments warrant more than quiet acceptance, more than a "taken for granted" attitude. For this reason, we note the action of the Pattee Library in extending the deadline on overnight books from 9 to 9:30 a.m. Monday through Saturday. Students may now return books after their first period classes end at 9:15. They need not rush frantically to the library before their 8 o'clock class or risk a fine. A Student-Operated Newspaper 57 Years of Editorial Freedom Ilr• Unity Tolitgian Successor to The Free Lance, est, 1887 Published Tuesday through Saturday morning dating the fiulTttel4 rut , - no 0103 CeHerten is a student-operated newspaper. Entered as second-class matte, July 1. 1934 at the state College. Pa. Pest Office under the set ad Muth 1. 1879. Mail Sail:caption Privet UM a nee Mailing Address Bo* 241, Slats College. Pa. JOHN BLACK WAYNE HILINSKI Editor 1 4510 1 " Busineu Manager THE DAILY COLLEGIAN. UNIVERSITY PARK. PENNSYLVANIA Letters Jr. Claims Old Main Wants 'Stamp' TO THE EDITOR: it seems to me to be the general consensus of opinion that student govern ment gt Penn State has been in effective. Why? I can luggest, two probable answers: *Caliber of persons in student gavel nment. * Administrative attitudes. Many persons want to see their names itx the Col legian as often as possible. Does belonging to student govern ment solely for this purpose contribute to a better Penn State? Many of the "student lead ers" do not bother to attend the meetings of the organiza tions to which they have been elected. It is a disgrace when student government cannot meet because it lacks ir quorum. This letter is net to degrade responsible student leaders. We need more of them. The SGA and all other stu dent government groups are "tolerated but ignored" to quote Mr. Buckley's letter of Oct. 27, when the administration is in favor of what they are doing. SGA runs into difficulties when it is not in accord with the Old Main group. I feel that is what is going on right now. SGA is -a necessary outlet for the opinions of the student leaders in the form of stands on certain issues or in the form of legislation passed. If there was a referendum or another election. would these responsible students be re elected? No, because it would be easy for the opposition to point out that they had accom plished little while in office. It would not matter that the SGA could not meet for tech nical reasons, it would only matter that the responsible students had accomplished very ' little recently. Then students with ideas more in favor with the Old Main group and the lion's paw would then be elected and the stumbling blocks would be re moved from SGA and every body would be happy in Old Main and the lion's paw. The adminis.tration does not •want responsible student lead ers. they want rubber stamps. (Ed. Note: The interim SGA can meet at any time thepresi dent calls it into session.) —Alan White '6s Gazette Chess Tournament. Lounge. HUH &atch Dept.. 10 a.m., HUB asoembly WI Future Teachers, 12:30 p.m., HUD ee• •embly hall P$lllA. 1 p.m.. ?IR HUB Student Films, 7 p.m., HMI Asgemlay haft WIIA, 9 a.m., HUB assembly hall WRA, to sari., 212, 913, 214, 213, HUB WRA, 2 p.m., 216, 216, 214, HUB Chem Tournament, rill day, Main Lounge. HUB Folklore Soddy', 6:30 pan., RUB Ball• room Emerson Rodety, 6;30 p.m., 210 Eisen- Flower Chapel Sophomore Cinss Advisory Board, 1:30 p.m. ' 219 HUB Student Films, 7 p.m., 711111 assembly hail Swedenborgian. 10 a.m., 212418 HUB Theta Sigma Pi. 6:30 p.m.. 210 11 ‘18 WR A, 3 a.m.. RUB settembly hall Air Force Recruiting, 9:30 cm., ground fluor. HUB Alpha Phi Omega, 7 p.m.. 812-219 HUB Prichte Club, 6:80 p.m, HUB card man Penni, 7 - mm.. 216 - RUB Grad Stutket ANstorlettion Counel, 7:30 p.m.. 217 HUB Hiklel Social Committee, 7 p.m., 2115 HUB ISA. T p.m.. 203 HUB PS Bible Fellows/Nip, 7 p.M.. 211 RUB PS Bible Fellowship, 12:15 p.m., 212 II CB Scabbard and Blade. 7 p.m., 218 111, 1 11 Spanish Club, 7 p.m., HUB assembly WDFM Schedule SATURDAY 5:00 News 5:05 Saturday at State 5:55 Wen t hcrscove 7:00 Hi-Fi Open House 5:00 Offbeat 1:00 King's Corner 2:00 Sign-ott SUNDAY 5:00 Chapel Service - 5:30 Chamber Meek 6:35 Marmon Tabernacle Choir 7:00 The Third Programme 12:00 Sign-off TODAY ill day. Main TOMORROW MONDAY Letters • Party Chairman Claims Senate Furthers - SGA Apathy TO THE EDITORi I would . - - like to congratulate the mem bers of the Senate committees on student affairs and organ izational control. They have done R fine job in furthering student apathy concerning SGA - This latest move will un doubtedly postpone elections until the winter term and will probably convince the few stu dents who will still show ,an interest in SGA that on this campus it is a fruitless venture. I cannot conceive of a rea son why lict much time and ..f. fort is spent by the adminis tration in order to baffle, be fuddle. and Completely destroy student government. The administration issues propaganda about the term system and how all -students must conserve - their precious time in order to do all the re quired studing. But -why have they been sitting back and watched students spend many months of valuable time cre ating a constitution • that was pre-destined to failure? If there was a strong enough feeling against political parties, why wasn't the Reorganization Committee notified of this? But that wouldn't have fit into the "master plan." Realising that the few stu dents who still had .an inter est in a student government would help rewrite the con stitution, their plan was to let the students work, and work hard, only to find themselves completely .disgusted .w he n their revised constitution would fail to be accepted. Another example of how the administration is trying to frustrate these interested stu dents took place in the last month. Permission was granted by the Senate -to prepare for Visions of 'Moldy Tallow' TO THE EDITOR: What a won derful Halloween Dinner! We dressed up in. our Sunday suits and proceeded to the dining hall where we were bowled over by the beautiful decor ations. The sight of the moldy tallow dripping off a wax candle sent a tingle down my spine. The first thing we received were beautiful napkins. How color ful and exciting! We were then allowed to take two whole pretzels. Only a special night such as October 28 warrants a treat such as two pretzels to eat with our tasty cider. As for the salad, the lettuce on the bottom was another rare treat. Then•l received a _huge piece of meat about the size of a quarter and worth less. Tra ditional puinpkin pie has been shelved for coconut, in another Penn State first. What a farce! Penn State students should do something about this situation. Th e thought of Thanksgiving din ner at the P.S.U. dining halls now appears more menacing than ever, —Ronald Horowitz '65 . Pl'- \NS IS r ft ....... , RATSI - if. YOU WANT ARE.IO SHOW 4100 nA • I kIIkTCANY 1. Orb HAWS A PEN,CHARLIS yE IN; DO IT 11 l' 'WWI? I'M AN EXPERT: . It ~.. - 4...?03.0:-• .....,,,... imillite - cot--- la ............. ~-.4ti • -- I. IT S JUST A MATTER OF 1 1 I:OUJINCI MO MUCH INK TO L 5 DEARpEIi AND:THEN BEINICARERL WITH ' ' THE WAND-DOM STROKES.„ . MAW? .AN PROBLEM 16 . L MARetei, , s lilir 04 4 , 1 mb --"" .• - •.'AP., liX3 , - a _ imolai alli silitir IIr.OII644;APENEN.-24 SATURDAY. NOVEMSF.R 4. 1961 the elections by holding party nominations. Why were students allowed to spend their valuable time preparing for something that the committee members knew would never take place? I believe that this latest Move to remove political parties will make the SCA Assembly a group of individuals, each with different ' values and basic philosophies, thus creating utter chaos. Without a multi partisan Assembly the all-im portant experience gained by the members• in the workings of politics and government will be lost entirely. This has been one of the im portant purposes of SGA. in the past, teaching the students democracy as if is practiced in any democratic government using a party system. The As sembly will become nothing more than a "high school coun cil." In conclusion, I agree in broad principle with the edi torial opinion expressed in Wednesday's paper. I further more believe that the students of this University should not accept just any form of govern ment unless it is the desired one. I would rather have no government than have one that is handed down and created by the administration. —Elliot. Newman '63 University Party Chairman (Ed. Note: The word admin istration is incorrectly used synonomously with the words Senate and Senate committees on student affairs and organ izational control in this letter. The Senate is composed of ad ministrative and faculty rep resentatives and the Senate committees are composed of administrative, faculty and stu dent members.) Frosh Proposes Way To Restore Harmony TO THE EDITOR: It is obvious that there is a great deal of ill keeling between the adminis tration and the student body concerning the Thanksgiving Day recess. It is also quite evident that many students will be going home whether or not there is . an ample vacation. This will lead to mass absenteeism in most Friday and Saturday classes. May I suggest to the adminis. tration a novel way of solving this problem: extend th e Thanksgiving vacation. This will not only eliminate the class cutting, but will also restore the student-administration har mony that was present before the commencement of the term system. -;—}toward Kliger '65 Administration Backed TO THE EDITOR: Thanks, Mr. Goldman, for the first sensible letter to the Collegian on -the 4-day vacation. It is time that those of us who' believe that the 4-term system, as presently set up, i 3 a worthy forward step in the history of American education; and that our administration have only our best interests in mind, finally speak out. —Charles H. Miller '64
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