6—The Daily Collegian Monday, August 11,1980
Billy-Libya issue won't hurt Carter, delegate says
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. It show§ some bad judgement on Jimmy’s part
certainly. Depending upon how he handles it, it
•can be seen as another ‘Well, look he did nothing
wrong, let’s support the President,’ even if it is
another incident of bad judgement.
We don’t have the choice of the ideal president.
We have the choice of Carter or Ronald Reagan.
COLLEGIAN: Even among party leaders
.however, the Billy problem has created a certain
;panic. How do you fe6l that will affect the con
vention?
O’CONNOR:I don’t think the Billy affair will
affect much of anything.
I was at the ’76 convention but the ’76 con
vention was a big party and everybody tried to
be on good behavior. It was an effort to put on a
nice media show so we wouldn’t blow it; ‘Come
.on, it’s about time we get the Republicans out so
'let’s be good boys and girls.’
The delegates are by and large a bunch of
amateurs. The only reason I won had nothing to
do with my eloquence or expertise or views on
the issues or anything else. I was the first Carter
delegate on the ballot.
The only way I can account for my carrying
places like Forest County and places I’ve never
been to certainly has nothing to do with people
voting for me. (That is) another reason why
vliese arguments of ‘Let’s be pure and let the
delegates use. their minds because after all
'.hey re respected by the people to exercise
judgment,’ are bull.
COLLEGIAN: Do you feel that if the con
vention decidesto adopt the rule (to close the
convention) that it’s breaking democratic party
tradition?
O’CONNOR: I don’t think so.I think all this
rule basically does is formalize what’s happened
in the past.
The people who ran in 1976 as Udall delegates
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were elected as Udall delegates and went there
and voted for Udall. In ’76 the Carter delegates
voted for Carter. They didn’t run committed to
Carter because they liked Scoop Jackson.
I think if anything it’s breaking tradition to say
‘Let’s let delegates who ran and were elected by
the voters to vote for Ted Kennedy vote for
whoever theywant.’
If I were, as I am, a voter in the 23rd District,
and I saw that Carter won this district by 2 to 1, a
big margin, and I saw that the four delegates
from this district all voted for Ted Kennedy or
Scoop Jackson or Joe Blow, I’d just want to know
why I even took the time to vote in April.
So all this purist talk about the open convention
I think is really a bit on the silly side. Jim
Eisenstein, a colleague of mine, said, ‘Next year
we’ll be talking about having an open electoral
college. Let’s not sign the electors to whom they
are committed.’
The old days of being picked by delegates
where you entered two primaries are over,
which accounts for the fact that the nominees
we’ve gotten Carter and Reagan are not
aberrations of the system.
It’s been argued for both parties that if you had
the party leaders, Congress and governors, say
who is most qualified in terms of administrative
experience, you would not have gotten Carter in
’76 and you would not have gotten Ronald
Reagan in 1980.
COLLEGIAN: There has been talk among the
Carter delegates about a change of heart. Why
not allow that change of heart to be voiced at this
convention?
O’CONNOR: Well, I would argue that if you
have a change of heart and you have some strong
evidence that the voters back home, the people
who sent you, have had a change of heart, then
maybe ethically and morally you should change.
If we had the Democratic primary tomorrow
in the 23rd District I would bet on Jimmy Carter.
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I think he’d beat Ted Kennedy. A lot of people in
April who voted for him were not terribly
pleased with his performance then, but they
preferred him to Kennedy.
So believing in democratice norms, with a
small ‘d’, it’s very difficult to say one should
ignore the election results and in essence ignore
the wishes of the Democratic voters.
COLLEGIAN: There has been a recent drive
to recruit Edmund Muskie. How do you think
that will affect the convention?
O’CONNOR: They are trying. I keep getting
these mailgrams from the Open Convention
poeple and the Muskie people. They seem to have
the same address.
I don’t really know what to say. My suspicion is
that in part it’s a matter of group dynamics.
The Pennsylvania Carter delegation is going to
meet Sunday (yesterday) afternoon. You’ll have
Rep. K. Leroy Irvis (minority leader of the state
House of Representatives) and A 1 Benedict
(state auditor general) and there will be kind of
an atmosphere created. . . .If you vote against
retaining the rule you are a traitor, you may be
thrown out a window. You’re just untrustworthy,
you’re not a true Carter person, and you’re
disloyal. You’d better come through.
You also better not be partying Monday. You’d
better show up to vote get there or else.
With these people, even if some have been
disillusioned along the way, one person who will
not get the nomination is Ted Kennedy, becausel
just think Ted turned out to be such a poor
campaigner.
If you thought the (Pa. delegation) Kennedy
people would be liberals and the Carter people
sort of Democratic moderates or conservatives,
the caucuses cut across both parties the labor
caucus, the women’s caucus. My point is, you
have liberals on both sides.
Kennedy did really well on the eastern side of
the state, so you have the (support of)
Philadelphia machine-types. . . but I think if you
took just the Pennsylvania delegation they’d try
to come up with a compromise candidate besides
Kennedy.
I have no intention of voting for Kennedy,
although I will support a number of his platform
positions. I think he’s a weak candidate. And one
thing we cannot afford is to come out with a weak
candidate. I think he’d be weaker than just about
anyone, including Jimmy Carter.
COLLEGIAN: What do you think about
Kennedy’s push to get several planks onto the
platform?
O’CONNOR: I think it is fine, I support them. I
think the platform is too conservative.
I don’t support all of Kennedy’s planks. Right
now wage and price control is not a good idea,
other means of helping social justice would be
more effective.
COLLEGIAN: Which planks do you think
should be included?
O’CONNOR: The solar plank, which is a
minority plank, is a good one. It is a sensible one,
it is not extreme, it doesn’t say ‘Let’s phase out
oil tomorrow,’ or anything else.
COLLEGIAN: Did Carter fulfill your ex
pectations of four years ago? ;-r -'! ‘
O’CONNOR: No, he certainly hasn’t.
You can look at his acceptance speech in which
he talks about how we are going to get tax
reform . . . Well, we got tax reform Robin
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Some foreign policy efforts have not been as
bad as a lot of people think.
Afghanistan would have happened if we had
Jimmy Carter or Ronald Reagan. (I don’t think
Ron’s really going to send American troops there
tomorrow.)
'What is distressing about the Republican platform is that there is
a kind of between-the-iines (wish) to get back to the good o/e
days with women in the kitchen and big cars to drive around, it's
the good oie days for the upper and upper-middle class, it's not
the good old days for blacks and for Workers.
Carter was not very good on Iran, he made
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was given extremely bad advice from our in
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abortions for poor women and he was asked,
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if so isn’t it unfair to cut it? ’ ’
Carter said, ‘Life is unfair.’ Well I think as
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be fair.
COLLEGIAN: When Carter campaigned in ’76
he ran a very anti-Washington campaign. Do you
think he has fulfilled that promise or worked
with Washington?
O’CONNOR: Now that’s the outsider cam
paign, the ‘l’m going bring Washington
bureaucrats to their knees,’ the ‘We’re going to
have a daily flogging of a bureaucrat’ campaign;
that’s scapegoatism.
(Ronald Reagan) talks about the govern
ment God, I can’t believe we haven’t revolted
if they are doing these things he talks about
Washington like it is a foreign country. Like
somebody in Bulgaria is running us and telling
us what to do.
That’s garbage! Washington inefficiencies are
just a matter of different policy choices.
Some people think that spending money to
enforce the voting rights act to guarantee that
anybody has a right to vote regardless of sex,
race, etc. that that is wasted money.
For the little amount of money here, it is
being well spent because the right to vote in a
democracy is a precious right.
COLLEGIAN: Agreed, but a lot of Democratic
leaders in Congress have argued that Jimmy
Carter is not a good leader. What do you think
about his leadership?
O’CONNOR: I think that right now we have a
lot of structural reforms coming out of Congress
that make it much harder for anyone to run
Congress.
The reforms have given every first day
senator the chairmanship of a subcommittee and
it.has been,said .the,problem-that Jimmy Carter
faces is that there are 100 Jimmy Carters in the
Senate. If he wants to go and make a deal with
the Senate leadership, fine. But the Senate
leadership cannot produce.
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Jimmy Carter.’
In the House you can do that a little more
easily, and Carter’s problems have not been with
the House. He’s gotten along quite well with
(Speaker Tip) O’Neill.
COLLEGIAN: Several Supreme Court
positions are expected to open up in the next four
years. Do you think Jimmy Carter would appoint ?
people who you would like to see on the Court?
O’CONNOR: Oh, absolutely yeah. I think the
appointments he has made to the district courts
have been incredibly qualified. Really strong
people. He has gone to a quasi-merit system,
instead of the old system of appointing political
hacks.
COLLEGIAN: Do you think he would
liberals or more conservative judges? .
O’CONNOR: The people he has appointed have
been fairly liberal.
What is so scary about the Republican plat
form is the part where there should only be one
kind of judge you shouldn’t look for sound
legal minds but you first off find out their'*'
personal views on several issues. That is
something I would hate to see happen.
COLLEGIAN: What do you think the goals of
the next presidency are?
O’CONNOR: To help America adapt well to
changing from a cowboy expansionist mentality
to learning how to live well with justice and <
humanity. The world requires a little bit more
maturity than it used to.
What is distressing about the Republican
platform is that there is a kind of between-the
lines (wish) to get back to the good old days with
women in the kitchen and big cars to drive
around. It’s the good ole days for the upper and'*
upper-middle class, it’s not a good ole days for
blacks and for workers.
There is a quasi-religious element; it is to
strengthen the family. And the family means one
kind of family; there is a sad misunderstanding
that most Americans families are not like that.
Let’s talk intelligently about how we can
strengthen the American family. The way to do it
is not through watching “Father Knows Best”
reruns it might be nice if that was the way to
do it but it is not. \
We need a president as the great educator, the
moral leader who can help us toward a greater
maturity by understanding that internationally
we are a great power, that we will be a great
power and that we should be a great power. But
that means.that.wehave some sensitivity.,,
COLLEGIAN: Is Jimmy Carter
president?
O’CONNOR: Maybe. I know who wouldn’t be
Ronald Reagan.
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