I I - ", ? :&' (I EVENING LEDGER-PHILADELPHIA, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 2, 1917 listeners Thrilled by Testimony of Politicians and City Officials kf tWAtfMUBDER HEARING rTFTy & JN QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS .r:h.. fa fM ,f ;'"rUnoJ trom re Two I Cl Anil you mid Care' anil Mr. Maurer ffl "ia 1, Vfci om around to my MlHnl1'11 lvll'' ' lllUill- I kttort, and, J will ,fio with (All right. Mr MRqr," and wy;tt?le with Mr. 8trn nnd 4 'nnnntllm. t'hA. Tf rnnni. : Wlf-past ten, Sunday morn- FMot Mwrf to the Mayor's house on I'fcenu iiar rncine avenue, In At- ;iy. .n .mayor wan in nis cuning I ,hl khlrt aleeves. halnc break- hd" the secretary, Joe Hnilth. came the porch Jo. entertain me for a faw until the Mayor camo out. When Mayor came out, he said, "Mr. Stern, ave read thin letter. It Is nwful. It .horrible: did Judge Gordon write that terr He said, "Judne Gordon can't SfrlBhUn me." He, ald. "Docs McN'tchol know that you are here with this letter?" 1 said, "No." He said, "Don't you think you had better .tell him?" He H.ild. "I flon't want this mtbliiihed." He oald "You had better tell MeNlchol bout this letter, becailee I have a cbrtaln arrangement and agreement with MeNlchol regarding chnnR- inc tne tJco in tho Tldrd District, antf tho publishing ot this letter will Interfcn Hlth It." I said "Well. Mr Mayor, you better call Senator MeNlchol up on the telephone yourself. He Is right down here In Atlnn tlo City, and he doesn't lK-e very far from you." He said, "All right." Come In with me while I telephone." Ho the Mayor and I Went Into the Mayor's Oottage We went Into a small room, which he explained to me was the children's breakfast room and he closed both doors no, he cloeed one dqo. and left one open, nnd then his brother Joe came" and closed the ohw door, and tpoke to somebody outside c-.i the porch.. Then he called Senator .McNlqhbP t use up on the telephone. He twid "Js that you, Jim?" Then somebodyjansfeered He said, "This is Tom 'Sntlth," He said, "Stern Is herewith atf uwul .letter," lie aid, and I toattm, you had bettor know about It. 4$is letter Is awful, and I don't want .it jl)l3Ttied. So he tnld, "Stern Is sitting. rjg.ht.( alongside of ra," Then he said, 3trri," he said, ''Senator Me Nlchol, wanU'-you Ho, come up there" Then he said, "A right, good-by " Then he said. "Here Is tfie" fet'tet'; he wants you to brlnr the letter up wlth you." So 1 left the Mayor's house, and as I was leaving. t noticed Congressman.Tare and his family on the front porch, and I left tho Mayor's house to go to ,Mr. MeNlchol' house, and I too"k a jitney. I arrived at Senator Mc Nlchol'a house .within about ten or fifteen minutes. The 'Senator. said Q. It Is not permissible that you shall state what Senator MeNlchol said to you. What did ypii'j Ho with thl- letter when you got to Senator McNIchol'H' A In ac cordance with the Instruction of the Mayor, I. showed that '.letter, to Senator MeNlchol. The Senator read It arid said, "dive mo that letter." He retained the letter. Q. Now, did you setf the Major again between 'that time and the night before election? A. After I delivered the letter to Senator MeNlchol, the letter la my opinion having been the property of Mayor Smith and he having Intrusted that to me, I went' back to Mayor Smith and I said, "Mr. Mayor, Senator MeNlchol took that letter away from 'me and told me to fee you. He asked me not to have It published, but wllj 1'0U tomorrow morning In your ofllce. In accordance with the arrangement you have' with him." At that time Con gressman Vare wan on his porch and i came .'right up to Philadelphia and wort around)to the editors of the various papeis and hW the publication stopped . Q. It was to have been published? A - Tes. sir. Q. Mr, Stern, you came to Philadelphia that evening. Did you go to City Hall; A. "Yes, sir. Q. bid you see Captain ot Detective's Souder? A.. I Saw Mr Souder. I do not thlr.k he Is captain of detectives ' Q. Well, maybe I did not gle him a suf ficiently dignified 'title. Ai He was captain of detectives; ' Q. Well, he Is a detective' A. Yes, rlr. Q. lie s connected with the detective de partment of the police? A. Yes, sir. Q. Did you have a conversation with him? A. I did. Q. What did he say to you? A. t went In to see him, and I believe Detective Welsh, was In there and Detective Last range, They were labotlously writing something on pieces of paper, and I went Into a ton. or of the room where Detective Souder haa his desk, and -had a low. In timate conyersatlon with him. I asked him If his pieri were ready to make a report to the Mayor tomorrow morning, because the Mayor was going to have n meeting In the morning with Senatrfr MoNMchol on polIe conditions In the Fifth Ward He eayS," "Yes, we are getting the report In shape now, but we haven't got time to com plete 1.' "He will have at least enough tc give him a chance to take soirte action t morroW." I said, "Captain" . I called h'm ca'ptaln because he had been captatn , ''do, you And that the conditions that we told you aTOut In the Fifth Ward are true?" He says, "You did not tell me half enough about the conditions." He says, "WeTirid them worse than ou stated, and the Mayor wl)I have the report on Mbnday morning." . Q. Did you see the Mayor again to talk with hlm.'befOre .the election? A. No, sir. I did not see ithe Mayor, but on Tuesday night 1 Q. Then you did not tee the Mvyor up until the night before election? A Until the night before e'octlon. Q. The next, morning, tell us of the oc- curencts In (he ward as far as they re lated to the police .and assaults upon clti-' lend? A. T..e next rriOrnlng I was awak ened by "Mr. Carey. He came down to my house. 1 tvent around to tho different poll ing pmcos. Q. Tell us what you saw at these polling places, ft there was d'.rjrder, and who were the participants and wljat took place? A. The first, polling place..w,entto,wa the tenth division, which is at 4G or 434 Lom bard street Q. Who" was with you? A Mr Carey and Mr. Maurer, Q. The assistant dlstflct attorney?; A. Tes, sir. , , .' - ., ,i ,,x Q. Tell. via, wfcll occurred. A. When we got thertirysstlst about J o'clock, and we JWWvSiwmber Jof polTcemenAbefeTand they arretf.,Mr. AllclUtl.,' the "judge of -election, and 'several Ot the men. We got Into the polling place abdut quarter past sven. There was a lot of disorder caused by the policemen. . Q. They were In plain clothes? A. Yes, ir , -.., l Q. HpV many of them were' there? A. There roust have been fifteen there, q. Da you recall the names of any of them A. No. sir, I, cannot Q. What occurred. A. I recelv td word about fifteen minutes past SeVen that some men wfcre , arrested at the Third district station tfous. Mr. Carey and. Mr. Maurer and myself wept down to the. Third district station house and I believe we took Magls ' tfftte Stpyenson with us. At any rae, whert we got there, Magistrate Stevenson was there, TjTo haJ received word the day be fore there wou'.d be a lot of w irrants issued ,t, that dar and about quarter past seven the u.WlM. nnlf.. . ... ,1-1.11.4 .11.,.!.. ..... f(tiuuj, wmvv v tut? A,iuu wiau.bi vvim Hrtfltfinfr I' election officer after election yym i r. T. -jr. "" "-'V" -- "- " " n nouse, arrestees on an sorts or nimey HI before IfaelltratA CimarrA TArttrh ,t li thise men. were slated, eome ot wit juwkcb oi eieciion, ana Air tr. ahrfUtsnt district attorney, ea'd. Mm.i7ii.ft,,-vH Tf iw siBtik iv nrrcni tlMM nn. ludifee pf slectlon." Tie Lieu. tnat tood, ftnd ht said, J,Vefrf that Is riM. M there Is anybody here that Is a. Judge. J kWoXit and go btfok ta.hls pblf. n piaav j took tnree'juaget 'werd Q. And Magistrate Stevenson? A. Yis. Q. Did ou net them nil released? A. Yes, Wo got nil released that came In while wi! were (he.re, but others were ur restrd later on Q. Whl'e jou were there, you got ruy thirty to fort men, got them released? A. Yes O. Can you sny ngnln with approximate ncruiaty how many of thote thirty or forty Wfc euctlon officers? A. I couldn't tay, but I would nay nearly half of them. Q Did you talk with Uennett other than what you have said? A. I said, "Lieuten ant, whyi do you serve those warrants todny? You know these men aro around here nil the time. You know those men are lifelong citizens and residents of the word You could have gotten them e terday. You can get them tho day after election " He said, ''I am attending to this buslncis, not you, and 1 will take no orders from you' I was Inside tho rail thon, In the house sergcunt's room Ho said, "You get out ot tliero ; that Is only for tho po lice." So I had to stay outside. Q What next did you do? A Then I went down and a man named HUfcrdy nnd a man named Splccr wern arrested In the first division. We procured their release, sent them down to the first division, where they had come from, nnd we started on a tour of tho vvnrd. Q. "Vcre they officers of the election? A I .sn't know. Q You started on a tour of tho -"rd' A. When wc received word at ThH or Fourth und Lombnrd th.it there was trouble In the First division, which was on Front street, north of South, Mr Cares Mr Maurer nnd I got down there In ( lie neigh borhood ot 9 o'clock 1 heard a lot of yelllns there nnd I heard the husky voice of Mr. Flynn, the election judge, whose "- :e I know well I heard him saying, t go of me, let go of mc. ' and I looHen side. I knew ho wai the Judge of the election, and 1 saw Olllcei Lunej, of the Third district. In citizen's clothes, have him backed up against tho wnll by the throat Luney Is a much taller man than 'Flvnn and Flvnn Is not a very strong mnn. Then I saw Limes take this election officer Flsnn away, und I saw a man named CJulnn. a man named lledmoud, nnd u man named Alexander Hod. and one or two others whose names I do not recnll now. snatch tho ballot box from the First division, take It outside, where Mr. Itanc Deutsch. the Vare candidate for Select Council, was in an automobile with his brother. Sam Deutsch, nnd with another brother, Jake Deutsch. 1 don't temember who else was in that auto mobile, and Deutsch spul.n up In the ma chine and ho said. "Youse fellows hold your election out here, hold u curbstone rump election Cat the ballot box. stnnil on It and make our nominations" So Qulnn and Itedman and Hovd Q Are they policemen? A No sir Q Is Qulnn? A Np -lr nominated each othei I don't know how the election resulted Hut tlrey walked In with the if the police In possession of tho all his friends were around there In an automobile. Mr, Murphy, the special olflcec and Mr Wlrtschafter. Q. These two defendants? A These two defendants walked up to me and said, "I got n warrant for you." I said, "You have? Let me see the warrant'" And Mr. Murphy I think pulled out the warrant and I was charged with perjury and suborna Hon of perjury on the ooth of a man named William Neff. The warrant was swo,rrt out beforo Magistrate Fersch. and tho af fidavit for tho warrant which I saw later was signed by a man named Kdward Abrams. Q You cannot tell their thoughts unless they expressed them A I went down to tho station house and I was released. Mr Maurer and Mr Caroy wero down thero and had been released 1 walked bnck, nil of us went back to the eighteenth division. Q Do you know James Clark? A Yes, sir CJ Did you see him at that time? A I saw James Clark some time that morning on Do Lancey strcqt, spoke to him, but ho didn't nod to mo Q Qo on with your Itinerary. A. We got bnck to the eighteenth division, where I was taken from. 'Mr. Carey stayed there a few minutes He said, "Go on, we will go around to tho sixteenth division " I started to walk around to tho sixteenth division with Mr Carey When 1 got half way between Do Lancey street nnd Spruce street on Sixth street at a small street called Cypress street, Mr Carey said Q No, never mind what he said. A Then I walked back and I Q How far awa? A About sixty or eights feet, and then around the corner twenty or thirty feet, nnd t was standing cast ot Sixth on Spruce street In three or four minutes I heard men and womn scronmlng 1 heard them yelling murder, police and help. I ran toward Sixth street, nnd ns 1 did I saw a man running up Sixth Miu-t vvlth hl9"hands book of his coat, and several men were giving him chas. and Just as ho rounded the corner of Sixth and Spruce streets two or three men grubbed him nnd I put my hands on him nnd 1 grabbed him, and one of these pollctmcn gtabbed him by the wrist vvlth one hand and took n gun out of his pocket with the other nnd broke tho gun nnd took II avuis from him That man I afterward I Identified as Mascln Q The man wTio shot rpplcy- A I do not know, but q. Veis well; all light. A In a second or a llttlo longer I was excited there Mr. Carey camo along, being held at tho collar by the colored pollLcmali. vvhoe mine 1 did not know up till that time 1 had heard It, but didn't associate it vvlth thin man. his name Is Haj-den. nnd he came to th patrol box at the corner of Sixth and Spruce lie opened the box and rang for the patrol I rnys. 'What Is the matter-"" He s.ijs, "1 got Carey under at rest and going to get the patrol" Well, Mr Carey was standing there He had a wound on his bead The blood was all over his face nad collar and necktie and coat nnd vest and pants and shoes and. was down on the pavement 1 said, "This man Is In no condition to be taken In it p.itiol wagon" 1 sass, "Heic 1 an automobile Take, him In that." He Insisted on going in tho automobile with hlin. Ha f-a, "I will go with hlni In tho automobile," and he tool, him to some hospital, nnd then he staved there and nrotectn ballotbox and refused to allow riynn. the i j wcn, dottn 0 thc Ftaton nn HUt0moblle regularly elected Judge of the division, to I t0 lnaka sure lImt ji,lMCa wns properly conduct the election there aB Judge all . detained, because the gunman was released da$-. -1 know that because I went there thc nlgnt before without his Identity hav iwo oi three times during tho das Then jnB bpsn eutablMied bv the lieutenant and I went home Xor breakfast As 1 was j tlle otjicers f the district, and I wanted finishing my breakfast, Mr. Carey and Mr , to ,nnu0 sure that this man would not ninmnr i.fimn fn tlin llnnr 1 I, nil MlTUce street, itartt Of filxth on the south side Mr Carev said, "Lot's go over to the Q. You cannot tell thnt A We went o-ver tc thc F.ighteenth division which Is on S ce street 0:1 tho south side of Spina uetween Sixth ntid Seventh As I vv.iks ip toward tho po'ling place, about half wry between the polling place and tho corner. Mr Deutsch and his brother and escape I got there ahead of Macla I says to Magistrate Stevenson. I "aid. "Judge, they nie bringing a man down here The polled are liable to let him go 'are Is In a serious condition. 1 want to swear out a warrant for him and I want iou to hold this man without ball to await the result of Carey's condition " I dldn t know n policeman had been shot then I Just had signed the affidavit and he was making out Mascla was led In by tho policemen, who caught him on the 'corner of Sixth and Snruco streets, one df whom had a wound on his hand, given to him by a blackjack by One of the men, and I Bald, "This Is the fellow ' So the Magistrate was signing the warrant, 1 said, "Now, I want to be sure this man Is held without ball. I don't vvant to give this one mnn a chance to get nway," and Just then somo other policemen came In with another man, whom I have since Identified as Costello, nnd I looked at Cos tollo, nnd then somebody said, "He was In that crowd, too. Ho was In that crowd whoro that officer was shot" Thnt was the first I heard of an officer being shot So I looked at Costello and I looked at Mascla and I noticed they both had white ribbons In the second buttonhole of fhelr vests I said. "Judge," addressing Magistrate Stevenson, "see these white rib bons? That Is thb mark of Identification. Theso men belong to the same crew I want s-ou to add this man Costello In that warrant" So Costello was added In the warrnnt, nnd then word camo that the officer was nt tho Pennsylvania Hospital and they wauled both of these men taken there for Identification 1 Jumped In n pa trol wagon. Q What was done about these white rib bons'" A Why, tho police wanted Hum. but I said, "No. I nin not going to let the police have them. I want Magistrate Stevenson to have them," nnd I raised a fuss and Maglstrnto Stcveilm took them nnd kept them. Q What policemen wanted them" A, Well, whoever was there, Judge 1 don't temember. Q. They were taken by the magistrate? A. Yes, sir. Q And you went then where? A I went to thc Pennsylvania Hospital Q. And saw whom? A. Well. Hppley was dead when I got there q You did nothing thero? A I did noth ing q What was tho next that sou did? A. Tho next I did was to como nnd see j-ou, I think q. Was Lieutenant Dennett In tho sta tion house when Mlscla and Costello wen brought there? A I can't say positively, Judge I was excited 1 do not recall that. q You wero arrested that day In tho manner you have stated? A Yes. sir Q And sou were held for a hearing the next das " A 1 was told to appear ut Magistrate Persch's office tho next morning nt 10 o'clock q Did vou nppcar there A At 10 o'clock tho next morning 1 called Mm s trato Persch up at his ofllce I know Magistrate Persch's voice well I spoke to him over the telephone 1 said. "Judge, $ou issued u warrant for mo and 1 was told to appear ot soul office at 10 o'clock today Do s'ou vvant mc"" Ho Kald, "No, a lot of sour people aro hero now, und 1 nin dis charging them all light and left." he said, "and jou will be discharged, too. but not todas You wult until next week. You won't have to bother about it. I have never heai d from that warrant since" q. As nn attorne, ou have stated that jou were Instrumental In releasing a num ber of persons arrested on warrants of Magistrate Pcisch A Yes, sir Mr. Stern was cross-examined by former Judge lieltlor, but after he had answered a few questions Judge Gordon offered In evidence a lotter written by Caiey to tho Mas or nt Atlantic Cits'. In this letter, which wa a long one. Cares' went U.to de tail regal ding police brutality and political uctivlls In tho Fifth Ward, giving n list of policemen transferred bs' Lieutenant Bennett, and urged that this police aotlvlts and Intimidation be called off In the Intel ests of a fair election Samuel G. Moloney ny MU rjoilDDN q You were anested sestcidaj on the charagc among other things, of conspiracy to murder a man named 1'ppley" A Yes q In view of that serious charge against During Fifth Ward MwderJIearing r "" ' : nTboln Phlla- better see about the money for ij,.-, Ih. warrant when you. do you des.ro to testify In IhU case? I Jh Xn'oon. and Sul.I- Jl'-;,,-'. liVffl? .' C Vm .lM q. Aro you represented by nn attorney? A. Yes; Mr Daly. . . q Have you been promised hny im munity for tcstlmons" by the-District At torney or any one conneoted with hla officer A. No, sir. . q Have you been promised any favor ot leniency by anybody? A. No, Blr. q. Do you know that whatever testimony j-ou glvo may bo used against you on a trial for tho offense that you nro now charged with, or nny other that may be lodged against you? A. Yes. q Ho knowing nnd so advised by your attorney, you nte teady to testify? A. Yes. q What Is j-our business? A. I am n detective. q Connected with what agency? A. Vl O'Farrel Detective Agency. q. What Is s-our post7 A. General mnnagor. O Will vou tell me and tell tho court what sou know ns to thc bringing of men from tho city of New York to oo useu in tho Fifth Waid nt tho last primary election tlimo ' sSri.t'Tnl) t I" Q. How many das'S before the election was that' a. Two days beforo tho pil mary election q On a Monday'' A On a Monday 1 had been to Chester In referenco to some business with the Sheriff down thero. 1 returned about 4 or shortly nfter 4 o'clock In thc nftern6on. I w as accompanied by ou. managor, Mr Richards Shortly nfter I icturned our stenographer brought Into my ofllce the card of Isaac Deutsch. Common Councilman of thc fifth Ward I In structcd tho girl to admit him He came Into the office nnd, after being nented, nld, "The liosw sent me over to get eighteen men for the Klflh Ward " I nuked him for what purpoae. lie unld there were n gang com ing down from the Tenth Word to rough things for Cares and he wanted n lot of liimky men to Mand them ofT. I asked him If he had the minify to pay for It, He sold not thnt the lltfi'o fellow " 0. What? A, That the little fellow would attend in thnt. 0. Who no) that? A. .Meaning Sen ntur Vurc. q Go on A I said to Deutsch that I did not liavo eighteen men. that our men wero all working In the ammunition plants, but? that I would send to New York a man named Sullivan for the purpose of securing tho men q Was Sullivan In your office? A Sulli van at .hat time was In thc office In tho outer m .e. 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O. Where? A. In Senator VI.... In the Lincoln Building on the .! floor. ' q. When you went Into his offlc yMt ""-;. ,h iinnr troubles. ""'" . . " " t. a Sullivan - .. MMsir wns iiiLiui - Now Clark was .1?; went To N'ew Yor land Deutsch sat d'owVand UlkeTa while. I vvll. . you Vo k Deutsol. said that most of the mon in the Fifth Ward, his friends, were vvenr L'ha.s.' soft hands, and that the men who V ...... 1...1. ..,,i, vrnin to wear a came from icw i """; -- - UaAa.f salcl, vv nac kihu " ,E , Ho sniu, so urn badge I .. i.n tuifrinnr the oops will know them when they are ;"!. .LSI i...- o, .mtinn house. If they aro brought In" 1 said, "if you put a. badge on. that la rather conspicuous 'Well, he said, "let us put a ribbon on. bo It wai decided to put a vvhlto ribbon on tho men who came from Now York. Deutsch then took his departure, and I didn't see Deutsch ncaln until tho other day 1 saw him on the street q What did you next do' Where did SOU go? A. 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