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TE4TIBSONY, OF pant.
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Linive tried the method, Dr.,,Randttiode
Usti of, until I• learned the, fallacrof it.
I' have used hydrochliiiiich and potash
to 'destroy the erganie Mitten' , I have
precipitated' each. a. solution • with :std
phuroted .- hydrogen. have .-olitained
sulphide of eremite in the. manner Dr.
Itand Obtained' it. Q. " Have yeti ever,
ofter•OatiefullY washing Such precipitate,
ilissolvndir cold dilute ammonia.;
uftor having obtained a perfectly trawl
parent and . colorleiie solution of this
precipitate, arid . ' do you believe oi•gitnio
matter present' or not 7" I am not
aware that by that process it is posiiible
to obtain it transparent and colorless
solution ; but have precipitated from as
clear. and' colorlessn solution ac could
thus be obtatileirby the process detailed,
sulpheret of 'arsenic, or what resembled
it ; but under those circumstances I have
pot estimated it-for thw.'weight of arse
nic present, since evemtheii {Lie regarded
as liable to'the danger of containing or.
panic matter,; and the b
announce that nothing short. of burning
ith nitrate of soda will give pure re
sults suitable for 'determining the abso
lute weight of the- arreitiic. If Dr. Radii
has discovered that this repetition of the
processes as detailed by him will give
acetwate resulte, I shall bail it as a most
valuable contribution •to science, as
greatly saving the labor of the analytical
chemist. Watt's dictionary has a great
deal of valuable raaterhtl in it, some
things up to the times and others. not.
I do not rethernber Whether 'he recom
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mends that method of quantitlve
'sic. There are among chemists - several
methods, , for determining - arsenic.
Q. Is chlorato' of potash, vrith'hydro
ehloric mad, a more powerful agent of
oxidizing organic matter than nirrio
acid? A. Hydrochloric acid and chit-i
-rate of potash develops chlorine gas, and
that destroys Organic miitter partly by
liselfitrattii7. - iltfifi - 1 - Erliyirogen ail
-'rii-anie matter, and partly by liberating
~I.ygon from ; *Myr, which att.udti tho
mg iliie limiter. Nit rid acid would ant
inn • ~ , ,•diy , i s tin nxidizino , agent.
min accomplishes, as far a 4 rt gnus, the
same gonetill result. Arsenic in wino
frequently givai. ns a medicine. "Ilicre
•ire iptite ii windier of recorded nasal of
poisoning by rowler''s solution. I deli t.
knovv• of many cases of pdsolling where
-been administered nt si medicine.
Acme „Astro enteritis, under certain
i•irca in st an COY,. IY C9llllllorl diSease,
A ik;ql is an authority en practice of
medicine.' The solphorettal hydrogen
osed by Dr./Rand might contain poison,
---,:ttless-preeltutious-are-taken-to-guard
•vinst it.. Then the arsen °Led hydro
,rll used for the sulphide of iron. may
••ontitin arsenic. I t.hould bo sorry to
.reit -, upon the arsenic being precipitated
qpen the evolution
,of the gas. Sonic
of -the - arsenic - may - be -retained.-by -the
”nlpher ; but 1 should be very nowill
prg to depend upon it all being •preeipi..
tatod ; and there is always danger if
'arsenic be present that the sulphureted
4ydrogen coming off will have some of
the arsenic with it. The longer the
L'apPer foil is left in the solution, up to
ti pertain point, the thicker the deposit
will become but we cannot th4ormine
how thick it is.
Rs-exatninod inn (.7de—tieing the pre
h minary bteps detailed, the only method
..ftettiug rid of orttatile matter is-by,
;:a loin' 01. t.• I heard Mr. Horn's statement
of analysis of a substance supposed to be
bichromato o potash : tt way pot cont.
plete. Itichromate of potash alone
would have been greatly more hurtful
if taken into the stomach, than the mix
ture of potash with the extract of log
wood would be ; indeed the extract'of
log» nod would bo Mann as good 3R
tidote for biehromate of 'potash as we
can well firid, and one: would -tend to
neutralize ,the other. If I had a suls
stance supposed to contain a very email
quantity of arsenic, I should employ the
Iteinsch test first, to endeavor to obtain
crystals which could he tested, and re
tain the residual liquid that I might
'`iiltbsequeutly use the Marsh test. As
the ultimatum Of great conclusive proof
of the preseuee of arsenic, you most oh.
taro the metal -arsenic itself„ and prove
it tole such.
Cron examined.—The symptoms, in
case of poisoning from arsenic, have so
many exceptions, that there is no safe
Du Jonri 3. REESE, ausorn.—l reside
in Ph iladel ph is ; sin practicing mid i
rine. I hold the chair of niedical juris
prudence and toxicology in Univeriity of
Pennsylvania. Four years ago I occu
pied the chair of chemistry in l'ennsyll'
vania College, Pinhole/IMM, There is
no evidence from the • post !motion that
den ili was• caused by an - irritant poison.
I base this opinion twee the fact that
the autopsy, was not sotheiently exhaust:
ire to determine. It omitted the organ
specially concerned, namely the atoomeh.
medico-legal examination should be
performed in' a thoroughly ciimustive
manner, so a» to have unexamined no
organ which might be the seat of disease
and death. It emitted the examination
of certain parts of this body which might
have been the seat of lesion or disease,
mid therefore left the ;natter not thor
onghly decided. I have known of a case in
which au examination was made after
death, from an unknown cause, 'in
which- on opening the body, the lungs
'et r inflamed ; this would
hat Mont cause of death,
ant 3 WWI so considered
if on had proceeded no
fur' Vening - the - gtilitstff
ma; found there impacted
tvh' al Strangulation. 'For
thk authorities, always in
sist laulitiire examination
for ttrposes. As far as I
rust wan a failure critically
to examine MO condition KAM heart,
and esophagus; also the Bpirtai marrow-;
also .the kidney, the uterine organs, I
believe with these exceptions, . the
autopsy was very faithfully jawformed.
I regarded the spots on tlio skin as the
Ordinary death Spots, the result Or pare
fitctin, occur in every dead
body sofm - tir'Ordater, and aro not doe to
any disease. The sprits under the ear I
attribute to the same cause. Boon 'after
the death the bloiid settles in different
parts of the body, and chabging 'in
its - color 'causes these spots. I should
think it was not possible for an in-
Spection of the miterior of ach.to
deterreine , the condition of inner or
mucens coat. The opacity of the walls
" of the stomach preventing us from
seeing the 'lining, membrance. The
momaoli being so offeloiiVO as Rand
tostitivd it was, it did not indicate the
presence of any antiseptic or preserva
tive agency. Gangrene Malls the death
of a living part of the body and incipient
putrefaction, You have.the and of your,
- linger partially out elf, and union does
not, take place, change takes Plea° in its .
color; becomes dark, soft; and finally
falls off, we say• that was gangrenous: .
So of a gunshot.wound:—a portion of the
body where bullet entered becomes soft
and ii, removed ,by slopgbing. It
is • quite" a ooninton _consequence of
disease • when inflammatory actioe- fti
pushed to its fluid diseased termination
and w it involves a vital organ is
neeessrily fatal. Tho stomooli is a vital
orgae: There is - a Variety of color about
gangrene—green,' blue, black—and the
organ effected :by. jt somewhat ark Wee ,
sive odor.:;. Q.' In making post 'Morton]
. for medico-legal porticoes, when certain
' symptoms have been treated by attend
frig physicians,. should not special atten
tion-be paid by those making examina
tion •to those parts?., A. Certainly—
he would find it and chiefly Ica*: at
those,organs ho fluspectact to bo the: seat
df the . diseaso. Tho symptoms of poison
from arsouionre numerous and , not, by
any moans uniform. Sbmetimes, quid I
. think iu the majority of oases, they and
hose of an irritant to:stomach and bow
elkiagaiOhoso of a nervous nature; and
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again those of S. narcotic, elicit as opium or
belladona. I agree -with Prof. Rogers In
relation to symptoms of arsenical Poirinn
lag: 'Thero' is an 'addition I would make.
to symptomintinumbrated' by him, viz
-a difficulty of . and sometimes
an arrest of this function. .priensionally en
eruption of vesicular, °bar:later, not a very
I equent symptom. Sonietimes also
paralysiagenerally reanltof long con.
tinued even lock jaw,;
When- there 'have frequent .sphisins.
These symptoms aro not exclusively, due
to arsenio...;l - have ,not been; able to
discs:Wen a - single symptom, - .any
group of sit mptoms, an exclusively char
acteristic of arsenical poisoning.
,Ignarly
all the irritant poisons would.Am
cam ponied by similar symptoms—
corrosive sublimate, tartar 'emetic, sal- I
'photo - of copper, caustic alkalis, salt
petre, oxalic acid, chloride of .barium,
'vegetables, 'eroton oil, , 'petroleum, oat ;
chime, and others; 'and among the
animal series, mintharides. Some of
them . produce very similai symptoms
to those citlV+o4P by arsenic, others are
Jess so. Smug produce bloody stools,
coax? ulsions, cramps log, and so on.
Others more deMdedly -narcotic Byte!).
toms ; -but they. all belong to the same
general ,:class of irritants. They are I
so much.like the nymtkains of natiwal.
disease as to prevent one from thudding
'whether they are troth poison:or from
natural disease. The symptoms of poiS
cuing by arsenic are brio means uni
form. I don't think thesymptoms . of any
of the irritant poikons are fixed so as to
enable us to decide from the symptoms.
I don't know of any irritant Olson n
which the symptoms aro fixed. The
symptoms of trillammataim of ,stomach
mid bowels aro not invariably
When arsenic is taken into the system, •
disposed of in various ways—part of -
it may be , vomited ; part' purged oil by
bowels, and the Indatice absorbed into
the ci ir id a tioq. Absorption is the recep
tion into the blond of the matter oontain
ed -in the stomach in a soluble form.
metals I presume are .absorbed, that ad:'
in it of being dissolved—anything May be
'i-nehriTtlianS eanalile'of soled len. At: •
sonic is retained in the system sometimes
fie- a ron,itlera length of time—by this
I mean fixed in seine one or nnire or
gans of the body— melt • as liver heart,
kidneys, bl Lye (10 not
find the.same quantity after death front
the same remennt titletin before death,
sometimes a comparatively small fatal
_close may leave behind a -comparatively
huge amount. This diffet•enee in aliment
fiend Is dependent npon two facts, first,
the escape of some of the poison by vom
iting and miming—and, secondly, hg
its rapid elimination front body after
it has been swallowed. Sometimes; too,
R. or 3 grains may prove fatal, sometimes
stt 011 - 11(Ni -er-twor-taken - at - one dose - , -the
reason of that is the &Mess' 'of the
stomeath. As a rule arsenic proves fatal
within twenty-four brans. According to
high alithority, Prof. Guy, of London,
more flan one-half the fatal oases occur
-within.l-welvehours.some of thern,withlte
a shorter time. The symptoms are
not proportionate to the amount. g.
Um', far mould you, as a chemist, rely
upon Reisset's test, wheb the quantity
is very small? A. As far as Reinsch's
test goes, it cis sat admirable-'-test,
butT should not rely- upon Reiuseh's
test e - tclusively for determining the ques
tion, particnlarly if this qnestion was
connected with a .inedico-legal examina
tion. The smaller quantity can be un
questionably determined by Pminsch's
test. I would employ other torts along
With Reinseb's—Marsh's tent along with
Reinseh's. If not enough for all, I.
would prefer March's test. The• 'deter
mining of very small quantities with but
one test admits of questioning. To the
chemist himmilf, if Ito be a man of k xpc
rience and ability, there may be no doubt
of the single test..
EISTURIDAY
CCIII convened at, o'clock 5•
11. M. Scouxixii..4sisora----Live N err
ville ; am a druggist ; never sold John
Kiehl any poison.
Dii. Jrio. .1. REzen, continued.—lf
(17.15 limited to one test, with a. small
quantity, I would prefer Marsh's teat,
bee:tune I can work with it more ac
curately. I think it is more decided,
and gives the absoluie proof--the metal
itself, in the form of a metallic mirror,
and a metallic spot, from which
metallic mirror and spot we may
procure other testa. Marsh's tent
enables us to snake further tests'
than Reinach's ; though as a trial test
it is generally customary to emplOy
Rebishh's test. A drop of Fowler's
solution; ,falling upon a box such as
that analyzed by Dr. Rand, the arsenic
could be detected with the greatest
ease by
~the process followed
Rand, by a skillful chemist, and even
much lens quantity than a drop. To
satisfy ourselves upon that point, we
made the experitnents detailed by Dr.
Rodgers yesterday, with respectively
the tenth of a drop of Fowler', solu
tion equivalent to one-twelve hun
dredth of a 'grain of arsenic ; anti the
fiftieth of a drop, equivalent to one
six thousandths of it grain of arsenic.
These small quantities' being allowed
to fall «poll the lid of a wooden box
such 04 described. On testing these
portions of the box, by Reinseat's pro
cess, as. periormed by Prof. Rand, we
procured in belt' cases the dark deposit
on the , copper; which when subjected
to beat in the small test tubes, afforded
white sublimates, which undeNa very
ordinary microscope, gave In
n the
one instance at toast the characteristic
eight-aided crystals—not so certainly
in the other instance, because of the
,imperfection of light and the inferiority
'Pr theThititCti
a coaskleinbly smaller quantity might
be detected, presenting a natinher of
eight-sided crystals. The _excesnively
small amount of poisonous substances
Which may he detected by an, analypeal
Chemist in almost incredible. It is not
by any means difficult to detect a •
millionth grain of etrychnine if pole;
I have detected even a smaller 'quan
.tit.y—l have detected lens than a
millionth- part of a grain, if pure. A
medico-legal chemical analysis should,
be conducted in the moat , scrupulous,
care and in the• most exhaustive man;
ner,'b'ecautie of the grave responsibili
ties involved. I have no ilteibt Dr. Rand,
from his recognized skill and ability ass
chemist, thoroughly convinced himself
of the presence of arsenic In the m ate
dal , which wan submitted to his analy.;
ids. What might. be considered by one
chemist as satisfactory proof,-might not
he' so regarded by another. On thin
point- chemists, like other men, differ.
Some willarrive at a conclusion more
rapidly : than others. Some semi through
a preposition almost intuitively ; others
by.suecessive slow steps I 'should have
' required a more exhaustive analysis to
satisfy me in a. medico-legal inv.:taiga
tion ' for poison than appears to have !
satisfied • My friend, Prot Rand. I
would have employed soino other teats;
my mind being, perhaps, more sluggish
and cautious: I would have employed
all thitests that are considered charac
teristic First, Reinseh's • test., which
consists In burning the Suspected mnte•
rial.in pure nturistie acid and water,
upon strips of copper foil, and subject
ing Wise strips, when: properly cleaned
and dried, to the actiou of the heat of
spirit lamp, in a. small ' glees tube.
,The arsenic deposited on the copper is
`Sublimed upon the tabu in-the form of
oightaided crystals'--this is ono , test.'
Seeondly, Marsh's test and its modifi
cations: This consists of addifig. the
sunpeated. subStauee 'to the 'materials
-for generating 'hydrogen. in a pi?opee
flask, to' which is. attached a properly
•constrooted glass tube, terminating in
an open point. There are three -modifl
oationo of the test, 'one consists .of,, ap
plying the heat of is spirit lamp to the
horizontal portion of ther tube, as the
ilisenurcted'hydrogen gas is,;patteing•
along the tube. A bright metallic
ring ,or. deposit is funned. a. little. in ad,
vance of, the flaMe. This is pure met
allic aitarda,"aad eau nobjeotod to still
IMMIII
further testsr , inext the jet of•gtis , !tis'iti
issues. ;from the tube is .set Iola; lire:
It hurit, with a peculiar Colored .flame,.
and if a white, percolain eatioOr,
held 'over - the' flame; or itithet . lin th&
flame, a.bfilliant :steel deleted' blackish , '
deposit ,is madenporithe porcelain.,, Thies
also is pure metallic arsenic ; And agreat
number of these epott• May, `thuti be
Obtained forTurtber analYsis. Ka i , in
stead 'of lighting the jet • of gasee'as . it ,
comes &tit of the taboo, tern .the
around so • as to 'look - dowmWards,lthill
the gas is made to pass through•a solution
of nitrate of silver - and common Inuar
caustic; if there be. any. .p
arsenicreeent
iu this gas,the color of the solution; with
dtangs almost immediately, and,tt blaelt
eposit Will form of metallic nilver,
the arsenic will remain in Selitiotiin .
the form of arsenotei,aeid. All Wad' have
to do now is to filter the enbstatlee and
get a clear solution ; to, which we may
apply two other new tests, called the
liquid tests—these are thrranimorditeal
sulphate of copper, which wilt give's:
characteristic green precipitate; called..
School's green ' • jand the arturnitiliiehol rib s
tirate silver test, Which gites a char
ae.tarititic yellow prebipitate, called, the
apelike of silver, • •Sevnitich 'for .Marsh's
test. Then comes the eulphareted by-.
drogen.aest. Pansirig pure sulphureted
lijscirogen gas through au acidulated mein-
An suspected to contain' arsellie. lithe
solution be free from organic matter, a
btight yellow procifiltrite will be fidried.,
Thists the yellow sulphide ofareettio.or
rtiment,'We,throw this upon a. filter
and di'rit, it is impossible to .decide
positively upon the fact of this being ar
senic withont, subjecting it to a further
best—the,reduction process; and this con!
FialS of aildjegjo the suspected sulphide
some reiluttieg agent, such ashlack flax,
or as 'I prefer, dried yellow prussiate of
potash; anti applying the heat 'of a spirit
larnpto , this mixture in a tithe; , Under
these circumstances, the arsenic if it be
present in ever Si small a quantity, .is
liberated from the sulphur, and sub•
limes in the form of a brilliant metallic
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ring, Fourth, the nitrate of silver bolt.
Chic coexists in adding nitric acid Lb
the metallic arsettirtitt In any o
hese ways, and allowing it. to evaporate
tinder a gentle heat, This eon vert s the
metallic arsenic into 11 new foriii called
arsenic acid'. When this is dry, a drop
of nitrate of silver solution immediately
produces a, characteristic brick red col
ored substance, known as the arsomate
of silver. Fifth. These crystals obtained
should be mixed with a reducing agent
iu u small glasistubei, and applying heat,
we would obtain , the brilliant ring of
pule metallic arsenic. That I should
consider exhaustive. If a substance on•
stvered•to all those tests, we would then
say positively and unequivocally that
--arsorric wan I.(CSgllt: — Tilab - RSCirif X aTiklii
everything but arsenic., For a, very ac
curate quantitative analysis 'I should
have proceeded a little further than Dr.
Rand did. I think Dr. Band assumed
that the sulphide of arsenic obtained by
drying the ammonia solution "Was-Jper
reedy pure. In myexperience this is not
the fact, as it would contain more or leas
of organic matter, derived from the sub
stance analyzed, and likewise some pre
cipitated sulphur, which would materi
ally increase its weight, and thereby lend
to an overestimate of the amount of the
arsenic. I do not think it possible to
gut rid of all this organic matter and
sulphur, by simply dissolving this
yellow substance in ammonia. - Tho
only method of entirely getting rid of
the organic matter and sulphur is •by
inners of calcination. To effect this we•
add a few drops of strong, filming nitric
acid, and t tali a mixture of dry carbon-e
are iif soda and nitrdto of soda, and then
expos& to a gradual beat in a crucible,
until the ClllOlOlll3BB rs fusedand becomes
:Velem transparent soltition. Then we
know that . all_the organic matter has
hem% destroyed—not a' tit ape can' re
main behind: Ent wobakein't done with
it yet. e we must next get rid of all
the nitric acid and any trace of chlorine
that may be present. This is done by
adding a little etrongsulphurid acid,..and
evaporating ..to _dryness. Now we have
'the arsenhi in a new combination, but
still all of it there, in the form of arsen
ito of soda. This mass consists now
only of salts, no organic matter what
ever. We dissolve this, and by means off
sulphurous acid, bring back the arsenic
acid to its original condition of arsenous
acid, by taking away a portion of its
oxygen. Now we have it in the state for
obtaining the ultimate pure sulphuret,
by transmitting. through it sulphureted
hydrogen gas. All this complicated
process is togct rid of the organic matter
and sulphur. If now, the dried sal
phurat be accurately weighted, we can
determine precisely what amount of ar
m:ue was originally present in the mat
ter submitted for analysts. Sulphide.
and mulphuret are synonymous terms.
There is no other method of ghttlng rid
of organic matter and sulphur. If the
sulphide (het obtajvied, and dissolved in
ammonia and dried, had been subjected
over and over again to aetian of hydro
chloric avid. and chlorate potassa, as
described by Dr. Hand in till, 11111 i, pot•-
Lltlll his process; it is possible that the
amount of "organic matter, might have.
been diminished somewhat, but I do not'
think the amount of precipitated sulphur•
woular .— Dr. Rand's object undoubtedly
was, in passing a stream of sulehureted
hydrogen grin through an acidulated solu
boll containing arsenic and oronio
matter forseveral days, to precipitate the
whole of the arsenic that !night be present
but in so doing there would necessarily be
likewise precipitated, not only a eon/ad
orable amount of organic matter, but
I Ite"Wine of sulphur. The amount uf
sul
pheir precipitated - would - be - 1 nCreased
the length of time employed in this pro
cons, 'oven if no insigne wore present in
-an acidulated solution and a stream-of
sulphureftillhiPii;t; Ge
hir a eonsidetalde length of time, de
composition . ensues, and free sulphur is'
precipitated, - of a dirty yellowish white
color. Every material need by an analy
tical chemist in medico-legal examlita
tions for rr,i.ou, should be .absohnely
elietnically pine :. and stilphureteit •liy
&ogee should not form an exception. In
such an examination' all -possibility of
intrOtteing - the poison which we are
searching for, should be rigidly excluded,
Sulphide of iron does tioteetitnes don
tain anionic 38 all linearity, and that is
the reason why the purity of the gas
should be first determined, There is 'a
eusnibility that some of the impurity,
.might got into the matter being tented,
and thus vitiate the reeult. A very mi
nute quantity of arsenic, whew tested by
Beinach's process, Will produce a coat
rig on a large proportionate amount of
copper surface ; and ii piece of copper foil
so coated will yield quite a number of
small, eight-sided crystals, visible its the
microscope. • In using Itellinclen test
there is always a little organic reactor
deposited on the copper_tyith the arsenic,
and how' far the presence of thin organic
matter would interfere with the sublinia
tion oG the crystals, I am unable to say:
rtltivlc It probable that arsenic, le a
solutiUn containing organic matter,
might be deposited on copper foil more
slOwly in Itelmieli'm teat than If the mat-.
for were perfectly pure, but the presence
of reiganie matter will not prevent the
deposit of arsenic, if Deno be giett ' ,In
passing salphuroted hydrogen through
an acidulated solution containing organic
'matter, and. continuing the 'process for
sonic um, 'if there be any arsenic pres
ent, the precipitate thus produced will
consist of a Mixture of the arsenic in Ui
form of o sulpidde,..together with 'a tom.
enterable portion of the organic matter
and free sulphur; the amount. of the
free sulphur will be increased .somewhat
by tintlengthof time employed, in the
process; because it is the property of an
acid notation to decompose' eulphuroted
hydrogen gis and liberate free ..sulphur,
and tho lotigeio this proem is continued'
dm more free sulphur. will
,be liberated.,
Hence it may bappen.that such a cont
plex.preelpitate may be composed of a
largo proportiuhateluautity of. organic
sulphur; and..a small proportionatequau;
DECEMBER . I4 ..157.1..:;;',.
:titY Of telliPhlde 9r,arsenle..; dusty be it.
One-half; onn.,fouyth,, onelelghth,nAdow,
sixtliatid'ato bh . .-- r anyfreeleortlgnantity.
If 'containing, a' brash
fratitiennt part of aritinic, ,, Were. further
tested,by 111$ exciuding.all,tifer:foreign ,
matter,. it could be made,to indicate ther e
'Presence of iti'stinic nnegnivocally„,
By Hr. itlfilter.*--Would'tlie adellnick
tuition , r-ofl;lrowler's solution as pr.' ;
Zitoor tOldra. Kiehl, over
a Peril ornearly
your
months prior, teti
her dde in you T eplition be sufficient
to • account vfor the cpiainit* of
Band claims to have found billet
body After ddeath.lk ~ A. would not
ondertake, to say positively how large an
hmonitt of arsenic might he found in the
biidy , tiftertleatli,''after i'lonceontinued
medical treittinont with larsenbe, , ,bitt in'
my opinion tho onantity, of, two br three
grains Alleged. to.have- been,,discovered
in 'Chef body of Cho deceased, to whom ,
fora petiod Of:three months' befere her,
"death,' arsenic , had been almost ~Cort.:'l
0;1,4)1147-II 'administered, so that, the'
pggrey,ato amount of the substance,
reached the tinantity of twelve or liftoen„
graine; fe nreitioornpatible with truth.,"
I think it might account for its PreSetioe
them, under the 'circumstances . without
necessarily supposing the adminietratleox
of the arsenic , were in a poisonous dose..
When arsenic and 'other poisoned.
substances are taken 'into the stomach if I
not Already, in .Solution, . they .mrist,
become ,dissolved before, they, can, enter
into the
. eirottlation.. Xt, is only while
circulating through 'the blood that.,
these renbstanceff'dieplay their poison:,
one effects,,, 'The rapidity with
which these , substances are absorbed
into the blood—from the stomach, varies',
according . to circumstances. if the
stinnaeb be full nt the time,:the absorp,
t.ion would be.retarded. .if it be empty,
the abserption.le mere rapid. The ra-,
pidity of absorption is also afflicted by
medicines previously given. and likewise
by the healthy or diseased condition of
the lining membranes of the stomach,
at, the time during the posiiago.of the
poisennus substance"throngli the'blood
"A, strong dffort is rriadei by nature to get ,
it of the noxious siibegrance, trwereem
the different glands and organs 4 .sf the
body, these meparate and retain the poi
eon
for the time, .And so take it ,out
the circulation, or' eke a portion of the
poison is at once thrown out of the blood
by cmcnictories or gl rods which, separate
foreign matter from the blood. fleece
it is that while a per7mn in taking arsenic
er other poison we can usually discover
its presence in the urine and other seere
flews during life. Now then if a person
during life be taking one of these pole•
one, say arsenic, for a ceetinnons,length
of time; in small and repeated doseS, the
tendeney would be,,for 4 7_er,kidneyr
tt
OPTelin a - Mt - nibs/ organs of the body
to gradually' abstract from the blood
and retain it in them. The length of
time of the retention 'of the poison in
these different organs and structures will
depend upon circumstances. should
there tie any arrest of the. functions
. of
,
organslessmf 'the poiSOn
werild pass out of the system than if all
these functions were perfectly healthy.
If the poison wore given in A single dose
it in eliminated fr,op the system mach
more rapidly than ii the same amount
had been introditeerthy slow, successive
steps, protracted 4 , r 0r a considerable
length of time. l?omotimes a poison
when separated from the blood by an
organ or !structure of the .body,
ris never eliminated from that structure.
We have an example of this in the'nitrate
of silver, which when taken in small.and
repeated doses, is lodged in the skin and
there remains during - the subsequent life
of, the individual. Another example is
. fttforded in mercury.. if this .poison be 'I
eft:minced in small, successive, doses, it
L ay be fixed fore great length of time'
it .tiMlivni; and atill4or;ger in the
ntimony.taken.ntnier, the sates eireurn.-L
stances, it; repeated doses, has been,
'round months after the' discontinuation
of the use of It,• in the bones and. fat of
the individual. Arsenic iertelieved to
be no exception to this general rule, so'
far as the fact of its distribution in the
liver and other organs of the body-la con
corned. The length of time which, it
may he retsrned, as I have already stated,
depends upon the fact of its being gtven
in a single, large done, or in small, Iliac
tional, or medicinal doses, extended over
a considerable space of time. The
length of time which arsenic may be
thus retained has not been precisely de
termined, but I think it certain that it
may be thuS retained in the organs for'a
much longer period of time than .:if it
were given in a single large dose, We
have on record canes whin substantiate
this. I give this as - my opinion. - There
iv a„ case cited by Taylor. on poisons,
where only three•fou:ths of a grain of
arnenic wait given to a patient in mmute
L ones, extending over a period of 44 days,
vl itA adminintrfition then craned
Four weeka after thin the proaence of ar-
Bunk, was detected ire cbc critui of the.
patient, proving punitively that it must
have been in blood. Now, durinii all this
time, the arsenic wan not circulating in
the blood, bin was gradually belogtelitni
noted fritin sorne:of the solid organs of
the body, especially the kldoer, from
which it encslioil by the nisinary mecre
tion.
By Mr. .Ifiaer.---An a phyiiciau,
ist and toxicologist, and from your ex
perience arid reading, what precaution
Should ho used to guard the subject
matter supposed to contain poison from
contamination eith;ty design or acci
dent, and if you kn f any facts which
would illustrate the necessity for such
cure, please relate them ? (Ohjected to.
Objection not sustaini.d.) A.—_ln answer,
'to the first part. of that question I woidil
reply : the utmost possible and actitpu
inns care should be taken from the very
moment that the stomach and other via.
cora supposed to contaid a grain is token
froth the body of the - deceased; those
matorials should be plaoed in. a proper
receptacle, securely sealed, and trans
mitted directly to a chemist, or if' nut so
transmitted should he securely • kept
under lock and key. The same caution
prepisely should be observed of all sus.
pected matters vomited,; and to all mat
ters purged from the bowels if they can
be obtained, to all boxes, cups,, packa
ges, or other spbstances of a — clinilar
nature found in 'the apartments of the
house of the deceased, if euoli scrufailous
care be proved not to 'rave been clitiolHed
it mast zumeisarity vitiate .• ohnOtiorti
'analysis, however well performed.
Many aceidonts inay happen for want.of
this ears, for a bottle containing the
stomach,-&c.,may be broken and spilled
on the ground 'a -dirty floor, no one
can tell, but there might have been some
poisonous matter pft*ltt; ou said ground
or, floor, with which .uch matter might I
have , become contaminated. A de
ticioncy or disease of the tri.ouspid'valve
of the' heart could not; in my' opinion be
properly detected without 'opening the
heart completely-and a minute mauler
inspection thereof.- I Should -suppose
front Pie dencrintion given of the heart
of the deceased, .thlie description being
that It was flat and flactid,.Without any
further information that there *as mall
probability dilatation of
,the heart,frith
thloncsii dit its whits, this, however, is,s.
supposition founded upon action, anper , .•
dela! descrilitlon.: 'The dilatation of the
heart with. thinness of Its walls and die-,
ease of the valves is a.seriousidifease cf
the 'heart,: which, might terridriate•
The leadhig works
aid toxtcol
ogy, Groat ehrjetoiin,
Taylor 4. Gdy, in ?ranee, Orfila :dt
'Taydlou In Germany, Otto and others In
America, Beek," - Wharton, Stills , dtr.
Werreley.. What Would,account.for,all.
symptoma rhlo4,,„arir:. dawn-40-
'4OOl - OHW' pites,"eialudifig the ides of,
the adrolnlstratlon a rit';poituin.' (Tiyixi;
thetical Oitstr:tit comth. };sad to 'Othello)
I Should''..eall 'each close, from the
description given; ono of inflamrnition,of
the`Stomarh• arid bowels, with, kohably,
soma , inflammation - or the: peritoneum
screen:Jimmying irJ 'Suit& •a , Macias :may
1:!* 9,040 : by; ally substance,
• acting upon the strintacdi 101d:tit:Tole, or
i kiP 3 o,l °Oa" With9qtAar,Asoignable.
tinuate just,,-lik e s,' . ether. Thete,
!arif'seitiOritiliese`ityrnpiiiiirelzione that I
,consider exelealielY ' aharaotidietle
Lartenleat ..timiatise- - 1: know'
lof,no,eymptemas , which ere exclusively ,
lehataoteriatle of arsenical poisons. They ;
'are' the general ;iyintitorne of' (Nitwit
Poirieria and also teerill
' nary, gastro enterithr, 'or peeitonithif
peurt adjourned nt; o'olOoke,
es.,runri,Af ,Ur, OtwoOk, -;
Criart troaendif tit 2 'Meek.
Dn. Joirs t, S.-;eibri4aniatniti:
have,partially• examined ithe glass j
-
tube-and photographs, mhmitted by Dr.
Rend. , The -coatings, en- • the
...cepper
appear to me like insenteal onatings; but
T - Weeld not &tilde 'ntion " that - point
without further , -investigation,' and
no,ollemist could- ea,. decide positivelyi
'baits ;examined two-,ete.three, of : the
glime tubes, under the mihroactitpe • 'and
.1 think I detected the' eight-Sided eryte"
,tals, which"-under-.the elreumettineea • I
believe to indioate : areenio. , I have also
exendhed eeme,OfttlO Pllelotil79:4 11 4 1 °4
fr'oni'thette tubes, and the'appqar .eo,n
•flriiilitorY of that'belliWth6tigh' their are
not vety.distinot. - 11eTOM1W'h'ot eatisfy ,
my reind,of the I:trammels-of artionle.-by.
- Reinsch's test alone. 'Could not,eattsfy
my own mind of the preeenee of ,arsenic
by' Reinsch's test and' lilareh'a teat; 'or'
its modifications. • I aim- nire- familiar
with .Witten; dictionary, hitt: ether an
'thoritien suggest chloride, of potash as.
*no of the' methods of dieteeyieg erganie
matter'in 'a quentittim Vnatfaiim. rain'
,not aware that Dr. Wordy holdirthat ,
.absorbed areenio in the' iiver.• in Incon
el/tont, with : the medical -et:mini/Oration
•of ameniti. I do '
nott Mean • to say. a
poisonousdose would 'net have' reached
the liver; it. tnight • have_ reaohed' the
liver, an d been already:removed from
there. Asp
r ole it goes to the liver; •it
may have gone to some other organ.
I think it' probable. ' 'l3r.-Tayler says . it
is probable after ik pelsonous - driee of
arsenic, has boon taken ic large quantity
of it would be taken" up 'by the liver
within 15 hoancth.ciiighl havemotniacle
tiny-experiment to proven'. -Absbrbed
arsenea is gerWealty - fotirrel elsoin spleen,.
kidney, heart, pancreas, hurtle, and I
beliein in the, brain, anti ,in the atoms
of the female, and probaby.the ovaries,
in fast in the tisanes generally.- The
circulation traverses its' route in-two or
three minutes, and deposits ,it, whore: it
has the opportunity,
DR. Ronoens, re-eidlerf.--There is
one explanation 'I would desire to make,
in the cross examination t , I .am made
by the report to commit a tonttadietion.
I would, desire to,make 'the beirection
the quantity taken; estimated. 'ln its en:
tire amount, which Will - be t naturally
mideor-leesilistributed-throtighont-the
Whole body, cannot in its entire amount
err
-by the, analysis
err anY one organ; the rite - mach being
,one 'of those alluded to.' Of coarse the
analysis indicates that a larger 'quantity
was taken than was found,, The , time,
,depth would result from - gptre
, list
Varies' froirlii - fevr - daylio teverat week..
The quantity found in theitornsoh may
be .larger than that:token:at any one,
'time when it in administered medically.
Piton. Onas. worn.- 'I am
Prof. of Natural - Dickinied.
Cbileg'e. There are- isoverel -methods' of '
destroying organic , &otter. - ':•We might
employ the 'method employed, by -Dr.
Rand, in which • hydrochletm, acid • and
chlorate of potasea were Med ' this hie:"
thOd however: *mild harOlY be con
nidered adapted to the.oompleterdestrne
tion of the organic matter an the exami
„nation of the stomach'for aleenic, if,that
arseniri were precipitated from the re
epltin by meansenlohureted
hydrogen ;, for the reason -at sulphur
oted hydrogen, will in almost all eases,
produce a preolpitatein'stigh • 'solution.
~eflietheribienlcilre_p_reetarti„ or not. ' In
ekder, refc re,;s* organ:
matter completely, it wol,pneeessary
to subject the tenerlphide.' arsenic ob
tained, to enbmiquent treatment. Fum
ing nitric acid might be employed for
this purpose, in connection with
subsequent treatment' with sulphuric
said: The - - better method, however,
would be to fuse the terselplrldo'or ar
senic with carbonate of soda and nitrate
of soda. The process might be varied ;
but not essentially changed: In this case,
if arsenic were present, it would appear
in the form of soluble areenate'of soda,
which could be subjected to further.
tests for arrinie, I think the process used
by Dr. Rand would not have destroyed
the orgaidq matter. Sulphide& arsenic, •
of antimony, of tin, of cadmium - Ir, and or
ganic matter, might have been carried
down in the ammonia solution and
traces or sulphur. After evaporation,
we 'would have these substances left.
We could 'not calculate the quantity
of arsenic withotit farther process. The
precipitate obtained by Dr. Rand might
mutate these sulphides, 'if the corms
yOnding con:Tonna hedtbeen present in
the liquid acted upon by hydro sulphuric
acid, 'lf he,had determined the absence
of all these snbatancee except the
arsenic,. this precipitate would contain
only teraulphide of arsenic, organic mat
ter, and perhaps traces of free sulphur.
It would be teraulphide of arsenic in the
amemeiacal solution. I could not from'
the weight of this residue eetimate the
quantity of arsenious acid. I couldn't
tell how much organic matter he would
have' in the residue. I could not give any
idea of the quantity of organic matter in
the residue ; it would vary. The quantity
would depend somewhat upon the amou nt
of organic matter originally treated.
Sulphereted hydrogen . might contain
arsennreted hydrogetn, provided the sul
pliu.vit 'of iron, or the sulphuric acid
Dr; - "Rande - expluined
that he did not purify his ,sidphureted
hydrogen, became) it would, rest,
that the sulptinreted :hydrogen would
precipitate any ennpounttof arsenic. I'
think It would not neeensarily purify •
ealphurie acid many contain ar-t,
conic. Sulphirret of -Iron rnay,..,aleo oon
fain Ornenic. don't say, however, that •
they generally do: The 'sulphtiret of
Iron cloy contain' anseirill from the iron
or the sulphur out of which it is oars
;weed. I recollect - Dr. Rand's statement
in regard to his manner cf. estimating
the quantity of arsenic in liver. lie
carefully discarded the word estimate,
and only guessed at the qinintity,of ar
senic I wouldn't like to guess at it
myself upon glow , grounds.
Cr:oss es..
_,-Thei(Otiim obtained by by
droaibirie acid and chlorate, of notes,/
might have a yell 0141 eh color from chlorine
corn pou tide. °Worsts of potash loused In
dentreing organic matter. Any metbed
of-analysis Will he eritichted, bat if the
method waa in '
accordance with esteb
halted anthorities, I think body-of
nhimlate would soiree 'as to the -result.
Tlie chemist who , performed the analysis
would be the 'best person to foim the
estimate, as he is the only one' who has
the data-. The iteinseb Witte , a reeog
tilled test, an:far se it gCrie. Ithe 'used
Marsh's test, it Aced(' have undoubtedly
dieorvered arseeio, .1 . have exaniinod
the mice pltottigraphs;• there are evi
diamee there Of eight-sided eryitati in all
extrept one, .whieh 'Arms -.not "seem
eatinfiemry, bat ,I examined', the onbli- -
mat,ci om Which it wee taken and
fo 'to' contain the 44titesidie cry..
s„ I % alar examined tile tnbee
th_subllµatel from the stomach and
liver, end. f 4 and - them to, contain , the
night:sided crystals. The-copper strips
imern "to have the arsenical deposit 'on
them -At resembles,•to my mind, eremite ,
more • than any thing *e, but in Itself
would hot be.concluslve of the presence
• ofiarstinio. If the pieeee of copper, were,
• anbjeeted to the gentle heat'of, 'kit ordi
nary-spirit- lampriri • airnall - glass
, andgave a 'etiblimatei citoctobedral;sly
011,41 would eoneltiOo :Ord arsenic wa
presentin the coating.: :r •
fl nnT Itninte, ale Orli • „tide 2 Mile
north, of Shippensiburg,; - rein tether of
Oritharine Myers; MM.' ,ni
4diter'il child t ; liver(!-,neer on
place; we . vielted bank and' ferwerds
*great detil . ;lliii. RiebPshealth was very
a'il last inacof '* 4' think otHivvia,takinit.
Medicine nearly all tbe tinre • they
(Kiehl'and his ' wife) 'ofteri" . camthid the
house together ;4lb° vvonlil sinin;ofeen;'
;au& he, would, oome after ;,I never was
Wilde his berme, ,but 1, often, stopped at
'the door • I' remember 'very well - ono
,evening Rosa' Long yea at our
'with Mr. and Mrs. Kiehl and Miss Doner;
I did not notice .anything-improper .en
that occasion between John Kiebl and
my •ditughter,'' Catharine Myers ; saw
nothing of them , sittinat: ire , the kitchen
With 'their arms around .each: other ;. I
'couldn't tell bow it ootild Possiblefor
them - to haws been in thatpoeition and I
not bs'e seen it '•'• I wag in thaklteben
nearly all the time ; I genemllY Sit di.,
reetijoppoeito this • stove. on lounge; I
saw them all back ood forwards ;. I
knoit l'was not in the room half an hour;
wad in'the room 'did not qv()
Kate. nd • John 'passlng In' and out ;'1
noticed. Miss Long and Miss:Doner pass.
'fug in and out; never knew of anything
- improper between,
no daughter-and
-
Kiehl ; Mrs.' Kiehl'contiimed tm: visit
my house afterwards the eante as befirtii:
bad a oonversation-with-Mrs: Hoffrnao
about'Mre. Kiehl's 'health on Saturday
when she was at ourbouse ; this was, the
day of the funeral ; Mrs:-Hoffman said
" poor - Sarah is gone;".l said
".yes she,' said ou last' Sunday she
wse'at ,ray
.boase and elle • complained of
a very bid b'eadaelie,, and said, she would
go hotnOva..While before night so She
ctruld,lieadown , and take a rest before
she would, do per evening's work ,;' , l , sair
MM. Kiehl on Mend,ey : morning before
'she took Sick'; I drore tip,to the gate, be,
fore the hoes& she came walking Out
and bronght me some 4110 she good she
- felt ,very e heh ad to , .vomi t so ; the
wagon a n.the road ; edie , came out of
the licaisooz-oiit of the kitchen, and came
throtigh:the yard, 'outside of 'the gate ;
I wee close Adthe gate ; when gate went
to Kiehl's .they came' After her, some
times Mrs. Kiehl 'and sometimes John,
to do work ; . .;they gimerally, get
Kate because Mrs. Kiehl said Kate knew
tier (Mrs., Kield'e)_ ways; and knew how
.it_warad.ba.done,... •
Crate' lizaniined.—SoineOnies Kiehl
came in the: forenoon and 'sometimes' in
thipevenieg ; he worked 'a great deal for
me,;,Kiehl was at my house the Sabbath .
Mrs. Kiehl took sick, he was sitting with
me in the, orchard ; I was sitting under a
tree with my book ; he 'was, with me
perhaps an hour ; he started' home about
sundown; was there 'herbal - is a couple
hours ; couldn't say elle time Jelin came
in walking across the, field,: on3hceday,
when Mrs, Kiehl'wastM had, Kiehl came
over for one of the girls ; said his wife
wan vomiting so ; - Kate 'wasn't at home ;
she wat at her brother') ; Jane wouldn't
go ; be then'insisted . on, going down, to
loseph - Myers - folr - Kate - . -- ISaid - 1
leave them there, ie plenty of ,people
there; he started down, and I Wanted to
sert iny little riehilown to tell her not to
come,;
I 'sent Jane over as company for
Apt° that evening; I.told Kiehl about
two weeks before this, that I heard 'there
was a talk;, he said: I ' ll soon elear that i
np ; I told-him i a think-old ldrs.-Pilgrim
told it at our house; I told him I thought
it wan best for him to stay Away'; didn't
send Jane over to see 'that there was'SB4
'lntimacy between him and Kate ; didn't
tell anybody.-as: I remember, and this
'passed I thought as ajoke-; don't 'know
that ho was riding about the country
with'Kate.
Court adjourned until Monday it 9
o'eloak.,
,UaNDAY- MOR.FIPTO
.
Mae. BAnSLIIA MSEYIS, Morn.
, I-live aboutl9f a mile from Kiehl's ,
Our families were' intimate ; we 'mere
neighbors;
Mra:Kiebl was over- during
the - tvliater frequently, shy canto still
With her husband, John Kiehl; I asked
her sometimes how she felt, - she said she
folt;batter some days than. others'? Mrs.
an .Mr. Kiehl came over! ens 'evening
sherasked 3.110 ihl , roakl itetloave ony of
the girls go along down to Fraukford
with John and I said, " ria, Sarah; none
of them wants - to go, I said they wore
strangers there," they she said he would'
leave'one of them at their aunts if they
would only,go along, and he would bring
them back the next day, then I said -
Elarrib, why don't you go, and she said I
don't-want to go to old Kiehre, and tuen
I said it don't stilt our girls to:- go, and
there was none of them went; I was
doWn in the cellar and she came down
after me, she shed tears when there •
Kiehl° and us were always in good
terms ;- I used to go over to son her when
she was sick ; I was at home the evening
Rosa Long and others came to our
hellion I can hardy tell you who
wore in the kitchen, , we were all
back and forward, rnoro 'or less;
the door was open between room and
kitchen, and light in both rooms ; Aire.
Kiehl -was-there all evening; our fami- I
lies wore as intimate after that as be- !
fore' Mr.Kiehl took his wife home in
the buggy, and the others went In an
other buggy ; Mrolll usually sits in 1
the kitchen in the evenings ; I know of
Mrs. Kiehl sending over for ono of the
girls.to- come and do .her wove whilst
she would go home ; Kato wont gener
ally, as Mrs. 'Kiehl told Ns that she
.could not get any one to do her work
,as well's Kate, and Mrs Kiehl always
preferred to have Kate go; Kate was
down te Frankford with John once when
he was going to his father's; this was
before pillrg. Kiehl was at our house oak-
Kfor brie of them to go' again ; Mrs.
Kiehl was sick every now and then dur
ing the Winter, was pretty bad some
times ; whoa I went to see her she said
she could oat sometimes and -sometimes
she could not ; she said things at times
tasted bitter when she bad to throw up;
onoiter twice when I was at the table
-with
testa • bitter; she told me ahe had no
appetite to eat, eve' ything tatted bitter,
ooffee - and all ; during her lest- siokneas
(Mir. Kielil'el,)John Kiehl went down
'to Kate Myers 'brothers, and took her
to his house ; CUSS to oar house Niteroi
he went !for her ;. he wanted- Jane to
go, bet she would not go, said ohs could
net go arid could not attend to Mrs.
l - Klein' I was present the - evening that
Rosa Long and Mr.,Doner were thorn-;
Kate and John' wore not sitting in the
'kitchen with their arms around each
stitery they oould not have boon sitting
there without me seeing them, for I
wait back and forirard the whole even
ing ; Kate had a child about nine years
ago ; she has never misbehaved herself
since that time, never kept company
with any man.
aroteseduminect.—Q.—Have you been
told that ypnr daughter Kate might get
into, trouble If this, charge was proven
against John Kiehl? A. , --Our family
had a great deal of anxiety that Kato
would get into trouble abont, thitieffair.
Question objected to by delbndant.
Objection overruled. .
A neighbor woman told me a couple
of weeks before Mrs. Kiehl died that
there was a great deal of talk about it ;
! abo told ~.me that I ought to keep Kate
away, from. ; this , w,as a couple
of weeks before Mfrs. ielsi dieW do not
know that inylnaband told' ate to keep
John Kiehl away from the' house ; Kate
got sick just after John was arrested ;
the :cease: of her *kites!! was groat
tremble ; Mr.,Myere was in the company
when Mise Long and • Mr. Defier wore
there; Kate was in the kitchen in the
evening ;
,we,have a bench rind chairs in
the kitchen ; my youngest daughter and.
I were bank had forward in the kitchen
alletoning; John Kiehl was sometimes
in i the kiteltltn 'and sometimes in the
room ; be. vas sitting in the kitchen
that evening'; Mrs. Kiehl:_never told me
.that jithrewaii cross to her ;, in tho oven:.
log after our work was done lin fatter
She watt ,so eiek ; she went over in the
evening; her father told her to go over.,
andetay With:Kite, that it would beta
long 'evening to her there alone . ; never
Saw Jane go ever to keep Kate coMpany
before; when Kate was aiok and bad to
,throw up,- and complained of thinga be
ing 'bitter;lho, bad the; heart disease ;
dodEknutr whether' she' threw up
,bo-,
tWoOn January and- April; I cannot toll
per often ,Fate Went over .to•ldrii.•Rielil
Whiter y•Lliate;:ivent Lover
hen,Mrs."Kiehlwati not athitme, Can't
•11.-how; offew; went over once about
March; when Mrs,.. Kiehl' wonted meal-.
toe she went to her father's; ind then
-.cat :to town ; 'addle she :wad absent
atoweistrover to-do berwork•rDavldi
Waltdok , told ' 'be heard 'in Carlisle'
hat ,the sheriff -was coming. to LArretit
; te4. be Wme to our. bailie • before - Mrs.
Kiehl-cvas• dead Ore had a botdeinhis
and ;it ,wati 'Tuesday evening; , Sibild
-o Overeat supper.;-be pulled out of hie
pocket a bottle: with medicine in and,
:aid he now had•what-he wanted '; John:
t oaor made, no threats that I heard ; he
*as there on Wednesday y Mr.; Waltrick
! did not threaten ine:with.anything, - !•C?
CATEEAMIN# Mvantk 'recalled:Jr had a
thiki,about D you ago 'f.was between 17.
and 18 yenta old. then ;Iconic? to Ifiehrs
on. Tuesday evening about. 4 o'cloCk, the
eat time 'she was sick ;When. I canto
here Mrs:David.Waltriok was there, and
los told enti,there were some powders to'
ire ;:1 asked-her: whether
he doctor:Was - there; - and
:he saidthat John had been away and
Lot some poivders - from therdoctor, and -
hat I . sbould give' hor'ono about eight
;. I went up stairs and-asked her
low she was, and - she said poorly ; I
:aid also bad better :have the doctor be_
ere she took.that powder ;•91iOnaid she
,id not want the doctor until:her poviz
ern were all ; I told her ...that she had
etter haven doctor before -her powders-
Were all ; she told me. that- it i cost ton,
114111 to have the • doctcir,-; then I told
obit he ought to fetch the doctor, and
JO told'me that she would . not lot him ;
. aid I. should not give her any more nied
'eine until he brought the doctor ; my
:inter, Jane, came.-over _and cowsed her
o have a doctor, and she -would not ; 1
ont up afterwards then and.she bad to
vomit so much,; then I asked her again
&have a aoctor,- ; , sho '(3lrs . Kiehl) said
f - yen think 'I :ought tip have one tell,
ohnio fetch otilif I. fold John to go for
_doctor aucthe went • right away ; Dr.
Nevin-came out then ; he left some—pills
or her; I asked him what niled her,
.rd he said inflammation of the seen -loch;
I gave her some of the pills in, the even.
I lug; I was up that nighttill one o'clock;
:be rested very well that night; John
wiped 'to attend to her ; about one
o'clock I Went up stairs ; she, told me
he felt better ; she told me to go to bed
hot John would tend to. her, and
' hat she thought she,. could ,sloop ;
Aster and I then went, to . bed ; I
' aid 'about an hear, then went up to see_
• er; I•was sleeping- 'down stairs; John
• as lying down with his wife,;- she told
6110,had gotten no sleep for tty.o nights,
(raid he would get jjelt;_l_wen.top_ana_
hTI just been attending to her ;
hishatt been vomiting; she told me to
' ook at her blister,' and see whether it
drew- any, and then to lay down again;
looked at it-and saw it had most drawn
' s much aS it should have done in' that
etr , ; flied the blister, then I went:
down and laid down ; j
o'clock,--then went unto see — tier•
told her the bliqer had drawn and that
' she ought to have' the Dr. out, again ;
.he said thatif it was on longer it might
raw ; I told her it was on longer now
hau the Dr said it should be .on ; she
. aid he should go for fthe Dr. - and he
ent ; 'this was on Wednesday; it was .
sbont 4 o'clock in - the morning, 'before
aylight ; the Dr. came out about an
- our after John came back ; he told me
o thought she was 'a good bit better,
ad rested well.; ho left some powders
for her, said she - should not eat or drink,
much for it would make her vomit •and
er stomach was sore ; she-drank very
ittle on Wednesday forenoon, just, wet
er lips; when her mother came she
asked her when the Dr. had been to see
er last; she answered in the morning ;
er mother told 'her she oughtto have,
' we Aloctors out ;.she traid she did net
--ant two doctors; her mother said she
net have two doctors ; and then Mr.'
Doner went to town and brought two
octets ; Mrs. Kiehl did not want two
octets, because it cost too much ;. and
Dr. Nevin told her it was wrong to have
wo doctors ; when her mothercame, she
ave.her as much to drink as she wanted ;
told her the doctor said we should not
give 'her so much, it would start her
Woiniting; her mother said she would
give her as much to drink as she pleased,
for that was all that she lived on ; then
Dr. Neiih and Dr. Stuart came to the
house ; Dr. Nevin said we gave her too
much to drink, and that , was what caused
it ; I told him I did not give it to her,
but it washer mother ' - the Dr. asked her
mother whether she did, and she an
swered yes '
• raid she would give her as
much to eat and drink as she pleased ;
Dr. Stuart then said, Mrs. Dotter it is
the worst thing you can do to give.her so
much to drink ; she stood before the
doctors and menacing them, said
she would give her as much to drink and
eat as she pleased ; Dr. Norm said she
(Mrs. Kiehl) was worse then than she
lutdheen in the morning ; asked me if I
gate her much to drink ; I said no, but
that her mother had ; Dr: Nevin left
sows medicine for her, and gave nns
directions how she should , take it ;• I
told him that I WAS going home, and
her • mother would rgive it, to her.;.
her mothl;,r went to the Dr. and got the
directions; then I started home and lie:
mother then attended her after that ;
there never was any improper intimacy
between John Kiehl and myself.
Croon examined. .
Never told Anna Waltrick that I slept.
with John Kiehl, never , told her that I
have done worse than that.; I can't tell
how often John and I were in the field
together;-.Lhelped
was not once in the field with John
Kiehl oa Sunday ; when in John Kiehl's
hens; slept down stairs in.the little back
room ; John slept tip Will% in 'the front
room ; whoh Min.-Kiehl was away from
home he slept up stairs and I slept down;
he never was immy room ; had my little
girl with me when she was away; my ,
little girl is about nine years old ; some
times I tasseled with John when she
was absent; I can't toll how often I
staid when she was absent ; I never
told Mr. and Mrs. Waltrick that I had
slept with John Kiehl, and would do,so
again ; didn't tell them that 'when she
was down at Frankford that r had slept.
With him and done Worse than that ; the
last time I saw him before she took sick,
wan on Monday; Mr. Kiehl and I nave
wereln the field walking bank 'and for.
ward, when I was not husking corn ; Mr
Waltrick and I were loading hay on Mon
day after she. took sick ; Mr. Waltrick
boyar said anything about my conduct'
with Mr. Kiehl ; never , remonstrated
with me in any mariner ;,don't remember
that I told Mr. Waltricgthat John was
a married man and a fool, and that I
had often told him to stay away from mo;
in loading the hayl. built it ori,the wagon
and ho pitched it upon,,itadened
about half of it after I gtt
LEVI. TREGO, Morn.
I reside near Mount - Rock ; have
known John Kiehl two or three years;
have never hoard anything against his
.00ndact as a good peaceable. man.
Crone 'exatnineci.ilavo not hoard any
thing about him for the last year: .•
J. ll:ifsrienutvr, affirinid:— I reside at
Mount Rook ; keep ;nerd there ; been ,
'there eine() 1 1861 ; have - known-John
. Kiehl since 1867 ; character good, never
hoard anything against him. ,
Cross.esamined.-11ave not . seen - tiny
thing of him for the last two or three
! years..
ItBAIOAks. AF IN BWIGEBT, swori4.—
e in Southampton township ; I went
to Mr. Krelil's on Thursday about 1
oNcook_went_up_stainLimtnediately,;_
wheal came up 1 saw Mrs.- Kiehl lying
there very sick ; I staid .there tbo.wholo
day ; Sarah said, whyis that Arm
Stvlgert ? some'of them told her it wan
. Vient• *round; to her, shook hands With
her, said Sarah \you are sick ; sho said' I
can't hear.you I repeater' it over-throe,
1
1 times; elm eald,,yes,. I am too sick; that.
wan all I Rieke to.heir.,• Visry.rionor was'
fanning her; she said, John, you take,
the fan and An inel - Jolin took the fan
!and tinned 'her ; she asked, for water,;
can't remember, who gave it to; her ; she
ibr ice:; 'some of them' fetched some
for. her'; at last She got so weak she
Could not hold it:herself ; John then held
It :ftw her.; he , said 'that ,Sarah' could het,
bite 7t ; lie broke it for: her, and gave it,
Eti'her ; John, thenghtshe was not lying;'
comfortable, shollirely her :tries around
his" ncek, Cud' he pet Iter,,htibit.in . bed
hirther and f[xeddier pillows ' ...she seemed
to he in grest , !tlisttess about the 'Rah's,
Sion of her soul ; she would puitS , awhile,',
seti thin glib WOUid-falt into d(11.7.0'007-71:,
tiiCol) . ; then sliellimuld l walio uP Adman
for:water ;„. Bolin :wet her lips twice that
rerneanhercik
hll/34 4AWollf:tpti; awn:ft.—l ant the
daughtor.belkeiirk - Myers, •nnd sister to
Kato°Myers.; •Ai rv - RIM)) was sick very
'atop T;thergitintr - siver'.' for -My sister;
sometimes they Would est: for we, oftener.
for my sister, saying that Kato .ktieW
better how her work Was done;:
Kiehl - came•over one Saturday :and asked
for me ; I couldn't go, Wo-were expiik:
.ting- company ; he- then _said that one of
-us should come, and• I told lime to go ;'
Mrs. Kiehl had never asked me to come;
Whenever she
,teok';a spell slio would
send for. Kate; she told me sometimes
thitt she had not- a very
. good appetite,
that things tasted seer to her ; ; Whonevite
sue throw up she' had to tate med'idine ;
• was planting cornat 12 o'clock on TM's
-day before her sickness; She said She
•had been . taking Dr. Zitzee's - medicine •
-6n Monday ; she, had -just come huma, ,
and on Tuesday was over planting corn;
said that• Dr. Zitzer wa's riot athente,
that Dr. nixler had, given
. .,13er the last
medicine, and it was no like tho.other ;-
she said slit got so used to talthig-Zit
er's medicine that she could just pout- it
-in a cup, and poursoinewater on it, and
take it-that way. • •
Crone examined.—Sister Kato was at-
Mr. Kiohl's first time last Fall; minuet
remember that she was at last,
in the
holidays ; she was over very often, can
not tell how often ; remember that Mari',
'Donor. was et Kiebl's Waltriefic,
TOok — tidiTlifiti: Kiehl) to her father's ;
never - saw Mrs. Kiehl take any medicine ;
never saw her when she ate at her own
house; she said het' food was bitter when
'she ate it;
I know last, winter she com
plained of her food being sour ; I do nut
remember when. nly•sister was on the,
witness-stand ; don't knew .who I first
told that her-food was sour;' knew that
.har food was-sow• before my sister was
on -the stand, for Mrs. Kiehl told me
herself ; saw John K. at our house, don't
think I told anybody I was ashamed of
Kate's conduct with John Kiehl ; never
-saw any bad conduct between the two.
Mn. WILLIASUFINILEY, swam.
-I live about mild - froin --- Knthrs ; I
was at his house between 11 and 12
o'clock on Thursday ; teas there about
hoitr ; Kiehl was kind to his• wife, did
all a man could do, I saw him bring her,
water, fanniug Mir and fixing her pillows;
when I went to go away I bid Mrs. Donor'
good bye, and when site held my hand I
thialt•sho gotwohionottotAtrah's _reply
was "Oh 1 no, mother I have more
,con
(Waco in John than then, I went
down stairs; 1 have known John Kiehl
fey 10 years, have never heard anything
against his character.
Cfros examilied.
I found no one present when I drat
Went there, and no one carne in whilst I
Was there, except John. I did not tell
'Mrs. Carbaugh that John Kiehl had at
tempted before to poison his wife ;.
Kiehl'etreatment of his wife wasalwity,s
good so far.ati my knowlege extends. -
- Miss Its.crigt. Hem steorm.—l was at
Mrs. Kiehl's on: Thursday evening he
lm:oler death; John Kiehl was in- the
realm - qui appeared to do all he could for
het', to make,bet contartablo, he gave
her idpand,wine,,llxqd her pillows and
faked her comforts 1 beard Mrs.
Kiehl ask him. w her he would. ((MY
with, her and he Baia ho would, when she
wanted anything she would call for John
and be was kind to her.
• •Switatt FINKEY, .Rooria.-4 live
about -} of a - mile-front Kiehrsi. I was
there on Wednesday aftoruotin ; when t
went there Donor's were there ; after I
was there a while Mr. Dotter came up
stairs and.said Sarah, we are hero now, ,
and we waut to get a Dr. and who .shall •
we get, and how many shall we get?
and she looked' uP and said. "Oh I it
will coat too much ?" John treated his
wife kindly all the time I was there ; she
would enquire for John, and when she
enquired for-John Mrs. Dotter asked her
what John, and she said our Join, then
Mrs. Donor said hero lie is, mkt! John
went to her bed and she said stay with
me, and ho said of course I will stay
with you, Sarah!
MRS CATHARINE TuvuacA, siesro.— i t
saw Mrs. Kiehl from 1. to 3 o'clock on
Wednesday before her death, when II
watkhere Mr. Donor mune into the roon
and said hero Sarah, we are now, and
said we want to go for the Doctor and 1
he said 'who do you want and how many
do you want ; / did not hear Sarah's re
ply, but I did hear Mrs. Donersay,don't
mind the cost, Sarah, that will all he ,
made right ; I (lid ;tot see John de much .
that day, but en Thursday I did see him
treating his wife
_kindly; I had -Mid
venation with iss Anita Dotter last
January; Au:asked me if I Wald of the
trouble Sarah had ; I told her not, then
site told mite she bad been there ono night
that her mother sent her up, she said
after she went to bed Sarah cried and
-prayed and she had to put her head un
der the covers to keep from'Aearing her,
site Said sbe was going swung her friends
she could hot stand it at Kield's ; I asked
her where John was when Sarah went
alto said John had gone to Shippensburg
for Mr. Billhinien, the Lutheran minieter;
she said if Sarah don!,t semi get, butter
am afraid she will lose her
'Court adjourned.
MONDAY AFTERNOON.'
Court 'Convoned at 2} o'clock P. In
Mn. ll>ixnv WramtleK,
Have known Mr: Kield ever since 110-WiB
married ;
.his - character, as an ordorlY;
peaceably, good behaved man, is very
good.
WILLIAIS Frratnv, recalled. Uroee
eiamfned.—Never told David Waltrick
that John Kiehl would steal'- and lie
whgvever ho felt like it.
Miss JENIIIrt Cool , En; etcern.—l wait
a t Mr, K 4 111 1 ,0,1101.1 38 on Thursday even
ing, wept there with Mrs. Pilgrim ; went
about 'dusk, and — stayed till after 19
o'clock ; IStr. Kiehl' Was not in the 'room
when I went thgre, but came, up, was
there part of time; Mrs. Kiehl Called fur
water, and lamented for her soul ;"slip
might have called more than once,' but
did not hear ber; when she called, he
went to' hot lied, the time she went to
throw, up; she did not throw up, but he
beaker; ho was kind to her while I was
there ; ho appeared distressed, and acted
in it. natural manner.
• Mini. FtrinEY, recalled by COM Man
weattk—Mary Donor was thoro ; I did
not say Iwhon sho was vomiting, Oh I
Mary, what is. this Mrs. Kiehl is throw
ing up, don't it lOok liko poison?,
Altss - Rht.LA COOVER, trzobin l l--I went .
to Mrs. Kiehl's house, first evening she
was sick, ,with Mrs. Pilgrlia ; dusk when
I. rent; stayed till 12 o'olock ;- John.
Kiehl was nut in the room when I went ;
came up about 5 minutes after I was
thole, he was in .a. :good while,; ito
brought 'her Water 'while ho'cvaii in the
room.
Dn. Lowo;'sicarn.--I Nasido in
Mechanicsburg ; am a practicing physi-
Man ; have' been practicing Medicine for
.son thht would make the coffee , black ;
strychniii might make' . . bitter; but
would not make it bleak."' I don't knoW
of any poison' that would 'Mike it black !
The medicinal administration of arsenic;
as testified th'by Dr.' Zitzim, 'Might . 'have
loft the quantity found- by DN hand.; in
the systete. It could sciarceleindrleav;
'tug a-certain ammint'in System; 'it hay.
ing been given tumid' dciaes, , . the very
mode imetisploy for Its Conattiltional of.
*
MEM
=I
llNElliffl=lll
TE1RM5..42.00 e Wei
8 2 . 6 0 If.not pald,witkln the year.
iebts. We :lioul..:1 expect , ft; to, porineate
,the system,' through organ. anti, tihsue,
until the object wasattained for Which:
,it,WaS given. ,I
u nderstood , Dr. Zitzer
!gave it with a view to:ILS conotitutional
effects,' for the relief or -dispennon„ of a
, i'itllopian or• ovarian enlargement,_Tho
' ;tleatmentwas proper; I think. hp ould
'trust to the profession at large, to sustain
,him in that. It would be proper to omit '
~ t he ar z lenio treatment .at the, end:. of .
twenty 'd u g:. ari commence a different
' treatment;'. Ter ,'two reasons : First—
because of thelinown terideney, if 'ciul= -
tinned - uninterruptedly,', to excite gas- .
tro enteric symptoms. Second :Tr. for , the
accommodation of thisyaitiqulaY case,
inasniuch as the'monetrual period, was
painful and to .prescribe palliatives, for
the ,feason this cello was Suffering in
tensety during that, period, also to, give
an'agent to, promote' the very . function
Wad, Which inthis case I understand to,
have been ttpreparatian of iron: I heard
the . testimony-of Drs. Neiht; Stewart,
cie'ffer ' ande.Pongsdorf. I think there'
was not lung inthOsymptoms,more . thae -
the symptoms of Ordinary, gastro enter
itis, aggravated, :yerhape, by the, pres
ence of arsoniiin:the,,systefis. , T . think,
4
sere was nothing ie the post mortem,
', ppear ni ances, as indicated by those who
i erfered theoperati on, Whicheould have
, i
been construed into anything special or "
eharacieristicof arsenical ponsorting,gas
'46 enteritis from any cause, - might .
have produced these symptoms and ap 7
- pearanccs. I think I would agree with
Dr. Stewart in saying the food,. the im
prudent eating, apart froth all other
considerations, might produce gastro en
! teritis ;.and I would be strengthened in
that belief, when I remembered she was
tinder arsenical treatment, strongly pre,
disposing hey to gastro enteric irritation ;
uhd then, in addition, the Tact thafsho
oVer-eiterted herself. The result dove' ,
exertion in that case}
would ould be etpfall.t4 •
muting the match to .the powder, for I
should think that all the elements of .
I aflammatory action wore now. present_
t.ci-produce-thatleifeet-hy44-cotibining --
agendy I Would be suiprisP d ,if intlam
ination didn't set in rapidly...Arsoniii is
presCribed in the form of IrOw,ler's,solmk
tron, more frequently thatiin any other.
i Cross examined.,t-,-Thp.,operation of .
Ft wler's solution oi, the hurnitn system'de
peMls mpon the dee , . It Operates as a
ton is in can sense, as an alleviator iii
asjother, and by virtue of its tonic effects,
HS a deobstruant for removing. obsta c les.
ltaleee that by being absorbed and taken
into the circulation, and carried through
out every-part of the system., It would
Mid its way to the liver, liithim-i s ,li t iadcler,
glandular system generally, 'end mory
tissue and organ througliositga&s,a_
- Cliobiiiiii — sniiieTtilKeii. The dose for nn
affillt„is from six to ten drops Owes times
. 11 day, If there are g.istro enteric symp
toms the -physician should notice it, and
.his patient should he posted. The evidence
'of injurious effect would be generadcedems
or smelling, chronic diarrheen, and occa
sional. vomiting, When them, s,y lE ,l, 2x p is ..
-oiscuerilie---patienrahoffilif omit - the ins:iii.
eine for tt while, until that subsists. II
dopends upon circumstances how soon the
symptoms might exhibit themselves. They
- might not in three months ;it dePunds
upon the patient. '
Da. Geo. rtroinit, sworn.-7 lire in_
Mechanicsburg. Have been 'practicing
medicine since Ma I know of no poison
that would taste bitter. I know of nit
poison that would make -coireo black.
Stryelinia would- be bitter, but would not
cause her to throw tip. -If it is true that
arsenic will accumulate in the system,
then tlfisAtiantity found by Dr. Band
might be the result of medical treninent. -
1 think Dr. Zitzer' a .arsenical 'treatment -
was' right if
,the patient had in large
ovarium tumor, as he represents. It would
depend on the time she quit using arsenic,
end the time slit i died, whether tiny of it
could be found after death. There might.
hero been a mends between. If ,hr had
taken arsenic in medical doses tip to the
time of death, they might have found sonic
utter death. When given in small doses
it has a tendency 'to diffuse itself through , .
the system more titan saliewgiven in large
doses. The arsenical treatment she was
under was sufficient to produce irritation_'
of the stomach, and that irritation might
have been excited, by some other cause,
into acute iullainmation. Bhe might have.
taken, cold, or eaten acme indigestible .
lbod. end that might have predimed it. .
Cron exanainid.—l think bichromate
of potash and lugwood in a cup of coins
would make a porsonyomit, if insufficient
quantity. If five grains of arsenic were
taken, there would be such intense
vomiting that not much could be found'
after death. -It would be mote rapidly
eliminated from the system, in the shape
of Fowler's solution. Some authors say
it sometimes,aceutuul..t...4. I believe Tay
lor and Wortidy say it will not accumu
hac in the system. Dr. Wood says it
does accumulate, in his old edition. I
don't know any author of recent date,
who lays if down that it qoes accumulate.
It is doubtful 'whether n grain ci
.arsenic
could be found in the Ptinnuth, when ten
days had Amami before death, which
none of howler's SOilltioll bad been taken.
Liquid arsenic is carried oil into the cir
culation immediately. Fowler's solution
?would, be gcadintlly eliminated front the
systimi! If would cause swelling of the
e ye lids and other cellitlai tismies. I think
the•great est part of the arsenic would be
eliminated from the ..yttem, its tdminia-
Station covering the period of a month.
In ailminddration of-itrsonic, - I see the pa
tient fNqi.ently bave given. Fowler's
solution to patient to take same, where J
felt moused patient was prudent. The
effect of arsenic is different with different
perteins. An overdose would have a
-vitlentirrit ing-effeet.—shawing i
vomiting. -pain in the 847=6, heat end
intense, thirst.
Re-examined in elekf.* : The burning. in
the stomachand thrust is not contincu to
irritant .pnisons,-, but • 'Might result frolis
ordinary
.gastro enteritis. Intlntontativii
from causes I have detailed, might put to
mortification and result incleath.,: In the
post marten 'for .ordinary
.enterift+,
would expect to find redness of mernbruirsq'
deeMnpOsition having cummenecti,u,t that
time, discolored spots' upon 'the body,
softening of the nmenue membrane. The
discolored spotalvould be gangrene. ,
• Crinin examinett—lf I find the. diges•
five organs generally better that would he
un indiention that the arsenic intendt in
jdrious to the. Biollllloli.
Dm. J. J. ZITZKE., re-called.—.l was
asked if -- I don't keep- a separate book„
where all worn put , down, whether they
we're paid or not. I said not., Fronk [lien>
I get it put in the ledger. This Spring
sometime 1 got 11 book mode,. so it would
not 1)0.00 038 y • ern up. (Witness then
produced that, boolt4„i_commenectl. to
take it out of those little books this Spring.
I went on to February, but I was so busy
I couldn't find the time. ,Then I' com
menced again in April—from first otApril
to fourteenth—then I was Qverrun with
business, and was going away; I. didn't
admit up . again Llll Stmtember. The doe.
for then explained his houks to theltry.)
Jeyt Mytius, - came 'to
Kiehl's Tuesday evening about4l oclock.
I Met Mr. Kiehl on the • perch.
_I went
up and told Mrs. Kiehl the ought to hove
the doctor.- She' said it, wasn't worth
while, it cost too much. I told her she.
had etter have ono. Sho didn'tsny -
thing, and I came down and told iny His;
ter. :My sister Wout'up and perstauletUtor
to kayo one, and 'Mr. Kiehl went for Dr,
'Nevin theh. ' . „
Cross examined.--1 .was thprcond fl •
sister and Mrs. Noaker. -I didn't hear
Mrs. Noaker tell him " NOw, Kiehl, you
must. go for the. doctor."` I didn't hear
anybody nak hinr to go but myself.
.:_Defendatit'-a-okurwol_them-oil'er-od-lettor
o or, Rand to as fol.
2o
. .
Ento.a'a Cottatein,
.Philadelphia, Aug. 7, 1871. I
Dearhave aniehed tbo analyaia,
ll'ho amount dr arsenic (recordectas whtto,
;manila) in, stomach was 1.76 grain;
la the jiver about 2,76 grain;'also in,tha
piko of Intestine and the bladder. From
ihn email quantityAof ursenio,fonnd ip the
OONTINGIIIII ON 'IGOTIRTU rACE
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