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Editor's Note: On Friday, Daily Collegian These are difficult times there is no
staff members interviewed Gov. Dick question about it. Other states are having to administrators at Penn State have been There's progress there's no question
Thornburgh about issues of University and actually reduce the amount of financial interview criticized. Do you think Penn State is fulfil- about that.
statewide concern. The following is the support forthcoming to state or state-aided ling its obligation to minority citizens of the The question is what's the rate of progress
second part of that interview, which focuses institutions. . state and do you think there is more they and what kind of reasonable goals can be set
on various University issues. It has been What we've worked hard to do is to ensure that our relationship is cooperative
should be doing? both short-run and long-run —to ensure
edited for length and clarity. establish a stability and a continuity in the rather than confrontational. THORNBURGH: I think there is more that we're not denying any citizen the fullest
level of funding so that University planners that 'we all should be doing to maximize enjoyment of the right of access to our
COLLEGIAN: There's been a lot of talk —as well as government planners can I didn't answer when you asked me: "How opportunities for minority Pennsylvanians public education system.
about Penn State's obligation as a land- look beyond just the moment, the day, the are we doing?" I don't know. I think on the to obtain and advance in any field they COLLEGIAN: State Rep. Elinor Z. Tay
grant university to educate the "sons and month and the year in devising their overall managerial side that the University has choose to make a career. It is an indebted- lor, R-Chester County, has introduced legis
daughters of Pennsylvania." In light of the plan of operations. done quite well in absorbing the challenges ness arising from centuries of discrimina- lation to take some money out of the grant
funding situation and the economy in Naturally, they would like to have more. I that are inherent in limited resources. We tion and exclusion that is' going to take a fund of the Pennsylvania Higher Education
general, do you think Penn State has been don't know of any of us in any program have looked at our educational constellation long time to amortize completely. Assistance Agency and channel it into schol
able to fulfill that obligation? And do you having to do with government that doesn't including all the higher education facilities It's kind of hard for me to assess on a arships for students who in turn will commit
think it will be able to continue fulfilling that have an almost infinite lundry list of —which are quite varied in Pennsylvania pass-fail basis, or however, what Penn themselves to teach math and science in the
obligation? worthwhile programs that we could fund if from the point of view of having them State's activities have been. schools. Do you see this as a trend in the
THORNBURGH: I can answer the second we had unlimited resources. But we live in realistically assess what their role is in the One of the ackowledged difficulties with . future?
part probably more readily than the first an era —heightened by the recent recession future. Our hope is that we will eventually an institution that sits in the middle of a THORNBURGH: Well, I wouldn't rule
because I'm not an expert in evaluating the —of limited resources and the management see our state system rationalized somewhat large state in an area is that it has a very that out. I think that will be subject to some
quality of output at any given educational challenge is all that greater. by realigning those institutions that we have little minority population to attract qual- scrutiny in the Legislature. It depends on
institution. But (Penn State) is certainly But I think Penn State has been equal to direct responsibility for, and to begin to sort ified students and faculty. the amount that you are talking about, the
going to continue as the centerpiece of our the challenge and will be under your new out what the Penn States, the Pitts, the But that's not an acceptable excuse and I form in which it is to be made available.
higher education structure in Pennsylania. president (incoming University president Temples and the Lincolns can do and then think the University and the state govern- We haVe, I believe, provided this year
And I think it will continue to command the Bryce Jordan) and his administration. We what the private sector can do. ment, the Depadment of Education, should some additional funding for
support and allegiance of us in government. intend to continue to try to work together to COLLEGIAN: Recently, the numbers of constantly be seeking out new ways to Please see THORNBURGH, Page 3.
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• A University student reported
missing since April 16 has been
identified by a Poe Valley State
Park ranger Page 2
e President Reagan endorsed
yesterday a plan to abolish the
Commerce Department and
replace it with a new cabinet
level agency to consolidate
government policy on trade
• The Undergraduate Student
Government will sponsor
consumer awareness events this
week Page 14
Mostly sunny and pleasant
today. The high will be 66. Fair
and cool tonight with a low of 43.
Mostly sunny and pleasant
tomorrow with a high near 72.
—by Craig Wagner
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State secretary of education
discusses PSU tuition debate
By PHIL GUTIS
Collegian Staff Writer
HARRISBURG At his first
meeting of the University Board of
Trustees recently, newly appointed
state Secretary of Education
Robert C. Wilburn started a heated
discussion on faculty salaries and
tuition by saying a salary raise
would require a tuition increase.
However, last week he said the
discussion at the board meeting
distorted the original intent of his
comments, which were aimed at
attempting to make the University
look at the broader picture of state
"You can't just look at the
expenditure side as being fixed and
then decide whether you're going to
get the money either from tuition or
from state appropriations,"
Wilburn said in an interview on
Friday. "You have to look at the
entire equation. Rather than just
making up any shortfall from what
you expected in state
appropriations with an increase in
student tuition, you've also got to
look at the expenditure side of the
"And there the largest
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Using an aerial ladder, firemen
successfully rescue a Virginia couple
who were stranded when the car in
which they were riding was overtaken
by rapidly rising waters. The couple
was traveling across a usually
passable dam spillway in Spotsylvania,
Va., when the mishap occurred, forcing
them to cling to tie car doors for. more
than one hour before rescuers arrived.
expenditure area is the faculty
salaries," Wilburn said. "This
should be a year in which faculty
salaries are certainly less than
what they've been in previous
years because of the . . . economy."
At the trustees meeting in
Hershey on March 19, Wilburn said
he and Gov. Dick Thornburgh
allowed for no increases in faculty
salaries when they planned the
University's recommended state
appropriaton for 1983-84. Wilburn,
who was secretary of budget before
moving to the Education
Department, repeatedly asked
University President John W.
Oswald for the specific percentage
salary increase the University
planned to give faculty members
Although Oswald refthed to give
specific percentages, saying they
had not been decided yet, he later
said, "the emphasis on salary'
increases for 1983-84 will be on the
basis of merit —i.e. performance
and on the marketplace i.e.
"Actually," Wilburn said, "the
discussion was interesting because
I was trying to get away from this
`if you don't get money from the
Cardinal warns Poles
against May 1 protest
By BRYAN BRUMLEY
Associated Press Writer
WARSAW, Poland Roman Catholic primate
Cardinal Jozef Gleinp has warned Polish workers it
could be dangerous to join the May Day
demonstrations called by Solidarity underground
leaders, a Catholic newspaper reported yesterday.
Meanwhile, Solidarity chief Lech Walesa returned to
the Lenin shipyard in Gdansk where he led the August
1980 strike that helped create the independent union.
Walesa underwent a medical examination and a
safety refresher course at the yard yesterday and was
to consult his boss in the yard today. He said he could
resume his duties as ari electrician as early as
Walesa was interned with most other Solidarity
leaders under the martial law decree of December
1981. After his release from internment last Nov. 11, he
drew a salary from the union.
Troop withdrawal agreement is promising
By R. GREGORY NOKES of peace in the Middle East," Shultz expanded U.S. role in Lebanon
Associated Press Writer said following his 13-hour journey - during discussions with Israeli and
from Washington. Lebanese leaders. -
CAIRO, Egypt Secretary of He said he would stay in the Shultz told reporters he also may
State George P. Shultz said region as long as there was hope of discuss Reagan's faltering Middle
yesterday he thinks he can win an achieving a withdrawal agreement, East peace initiative during his
agreement for withdrawal of which he described as "very do- . trip, but that his chief 'aim will be a
foreign troops from Lebanon, and able." Shultz indicated, however, troop withdrawal agreement.
indicated the United States would that the actual timetable for getting He said he has ideas for resolving
offer to help guarantee Israel's an estimated 60,000 foreign troops some of the disputes between Israel
security to speed an accord. out of Lebanon may be worked out and Lebanon, which focus on
"President Reagan has sent me later. security in south Lebanon, and is
here to show America's , The secretary said he would prepared to begin shuttle
determination to help in the process bring up the possibility of an diplomacy if necessary.
state, you have to increase tuition,'
and then the argument got turned
around that it's a trade-off between
tuition and faculty salaries.
"The truth of the matter is that it
isn't any two variables, but that
there are a lot of variables on the
spending side and the income side.
You've got to look at the whole
In state-owned colleges and
universities, Wilburn said faculty
salary increases will be 2 percent
or less. Penn State, the University
of Pittsburgh, Temple University
and Lincoln University are state
"I think our salaries are
reasonably competitive at the
state-related institutions as well as
the state-owned institutions,"
Wilburn said. "I was just trying to
point out what we were doing in
state government this year."
As a University trustee, Wilburn
said he will attempt to provide
public input from the state
government perspective. Either
Wilburn or his representative will
attend each board meeting, he said.
"The institutions are run
Please see WILBURN, Page 3
Tuesday, April 26, 1983
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Glemp's warning, in a speech in the central Polish
city of Gniezno, was carried in the daily Slowo
Powszechne, published by the Catholic lay
organization Pax which has close ties to the
Communist government. Neither Glemp nor other
church officials could be reached for comment on his
The church has never defined a way of celebrating
the international workers' holiday, Glemp said, but he
added that it was the church's duty to warn of danger.
"Whenever there are demonstrations, events
unintended by the organizers occur," Glemp said. His
remarks appeared to be in response to a warning by the
government and ruling Communist Party thg street
unrest, such as May Day demonstrations, could
jeopardize the June 16-22 visit of Polish-born Pope John
Walesa has not publicly endorsed the protest, but he
declared last Wednesday that workers have the right to
celebrate May Day in any way they please.
Robert C. Wilburn