AGE FOUR
Don't Use Them Right Now
By The Associated Press
Gen. Curtis E. LeMay says that
neither in Vietnam "nor any place
else" does a situation exist right now
which calls for the use of nuclear
weapons.
But George C. Wallace's s, .ing
mate declared in an interview, "mere
is some place where you're going to
use nuclear weapons," although
"where it is I don't know."
"There will be a point where you
have to defend yourself." said the 64-
year-old retired Air Force chief of
staff.
LeMay said an all-out U.S. effort to
win a military victory in Vietnam
would run "some risk that Red
China might come in, maybe the Rus
sians even might come in."
Red China Weapons'..
He expressed the view, however,
that the Red Chinese "haven't got any
weapons capabilities to do us any
damage anyway, at least not now.
Later on maybe yes. But now they
haven't."
The interview developed these ques
tions and answers:
Eugene's Stand right under your nose
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NEW YORK (W) Hubert H. Humphrey said yester
day "I feel a little sad" at Sen. Eugene J. McCarthy's
refusal to endorse him for the presidency.
Humphrey said, however, "I'm not prone to start
meeting conditions. I state my own case."
The vice president's comment at an airport news
conference apparently referred to McCarthy's statement
Tuesday night that he would not endorse Humphrey at
this time, but that there were conditions he hoped Hum
phrey would adopt.
McCarthy's Conditions:
McCarthy called for a shift in Vietnam war policy, a
restructuring of the draft system and reform of the Demo
cratic party machinery.
While flying from Boston to New York to accept
the state's Liberal party presidential nomination Humphrey
told newsmen he talked to McCarthy on the telephone
Tuesday. He said the Minnesota senator was more con
cerned about the structure of a South Vietnamese govern
ment than about an immediate bombing halt.
Attacks Running Mates
In his speech prepared for delivery to the Liberal
party, Humphrey turned his guns on the running mates
of Richard M. Nixon and George C. Wallace, and said
someday they might be called "President Agnew" and
"President LeMay."
"It could happen," Humphrey said in reminding his
liberal audience that either Republican Gov. Spiro T.
Agnew of Maryland or retired Air Force Gen. Curtis
LeMay would be only a heartbeat away from the presi
dency if the Democratic ticket is defeated.
Humphrey then praised his own running mate, Sen.
Edmund Muskie of Maine, saying: "I have never had to
drag Ed Muskie kicking and screaming back into the
mainstream of my own campaign—or into the 20th century.
And to borrow the language of Madison Avenue, no other
presidential candidate can make that claim."
Demo Says Nixon
'Reluctant Dragon'
WASHINGTON (AP)
Richard M. Nixon, the GOP
presidential nominee, is a
"reluctant dragon" who fears
face to face debate with his op
ponents. Rep. Fred B. Rooney,
D-Pa., charged yesterday.
Rooney told the House that is
why Republican House mem
bers are stalling action on
legislation to suspend equal
broadcast time requirements
that now are the law for all
political candidates.
He said Nixon's "protectors
in the House are fighting
desperately to keep their
leader from having to face the
American voters without prior
staging by his Madison Avenue
public relations consultants."
Rooney's comments came as
the House went into its 25th
straight hour on a Senate
passed bill to suspend
temporarily the Federal Com-
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LeMay: Nuclear Wea
Q. General, you've seen in the cities
where you've appeared with Gov. Wal
lace that you can expect some
heckling.
A. Oh, yes, I expected that. I knew
it was going on but I was surprised at
the amount of it that was going on and
the fact that it's organized by groups
that I know to be Communist oriented.
Q. How do you know that, General?
A. I have more information than a
lot of people. True, I haven't received
any top secret brief:ngs for 3 1 / 2 years
now, since I retired, but I remember a
lot from back then and I remember
the navies of some of these organiza
tions. One of the things that surprised
me is, here we're conducting a demo
cratic process and these people are
trying to interrupt it, using methods
that would put them in jail for disturb
ing the peace just a short time ago.
'Just Another Weapon'?..
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Q General, you've said you consider
a nuclear weapon as just another
weapon...
A. It's a weapon. A more poWerful
one, yes, than the other weapons.
Q. And that it would be foolish to tell
the enemy in advance whether you in-
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equal time rules.
If passed by the House, the
measure would clear the way
for televised debates between
Nixon, Democratic presidential
nominee Hubert H. Humphrey
an d third-party contender,
George C. Wallace.
Rooney, a member of the
House Commerce Committee
that reported on the bill, said
the GOP colleagues regard the
delay as "something of a joke.
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tend to use them or not?
A. Well, if you're going to sit in a
poker game with a bunch of card
sharks, and if you tell them "I'm not
going to bet $lO unless I get four
aces," or "I never bluff," or "I never
draw to an ace-high straight," I
guarantee you you're not going to
make much money in a poker game."
Q. Am I correct in saying that there
are some situations in which you
would conceivably use nuclear
weapons but no such situation 'exists in
Vietnam Now:
A. Yes, nor any place else. There is
some place where you're going to use
nuclear weapons. Where it is I don't
know. If you're walking down the
street ftnd somebody starts molesting
you, at what point are you going to use
your fist? I can't tell you, you pro
bably can't tell me either. But there
will be a point where you have to de
fend yourself. I don't know what it is.
Says World 'Risky'
Q. General, what would be the risks
of a full blown military effort in Viet
nam?
A. Well, my crystal ball is probably
By BARBARA McCOLLOUGH
Collegian Staff Writer
Slalom, herringbone anyone?
If skiing is your fascination, or perhaps
just a vague interest, you can attend the
Penn State Outing Club's Ski Division me
eting and learn about 33-weekend rentals
and a Vermont trip scheduled for the
Christmas break.
The program, scheduled for 7:30 tonight
in 121 Sparks, will feature a movie entitled
"Ski Magic"
A meeting of the Chess Team is schedul
ed for 8 tonight in 214 Hetzel Union Building.
"Eyewitness in Prague", a first-hand
account of the Russian invasion of Cze
choslavakia, will be featured at tonight's
meeting of the History Round Table at 7:30
in the Assembly Room of the Nittany Lion
Inn. Robert Scholten, professor of geology at
the University will be the speaker.
Scholten was in Prague attending the
meeting of the International Geological Con
gress when the invasion occurred. The lec
ture is open to the public, and refreshments
will be served.
Alcides R. Teixeira, director of the
Botanical Institute of Sao Paulo, Brazil, will
address a botany seminar at 11:10 today in
213 Buckhout.
"Biafra-Past and Present", a discussion
which drew a large audience when presented
at the Wesleyan Foundation last week, will
be given at 7:30 tonight in the Pollock Union
Building. The program features slides,
discussions and films.
Mikel Dufrenne, professor of philosophy
at the University of Paris-Nanterre, France
and visiting professor at the University of
Montreal, Canada will address the Penn
State Philosophy Colloquium at 4 p.m. today
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For all you striving and starving scien
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at 6 tonight in the HUB Ballroom.
This week's International Films feature
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tonight in the HUB Assembly Hall.
For those of you who can't wait to hear
the news in tomorrow's Collegian, the
results of the Undergraduate Student
Government elections will be announced at 9
tonight in the HUB Ballroom.
The Chinese Club Art Exhibit continues
in the Main Lounge of the HUB from 8 a.m.
to 7 p.m. today and tomorrow. The Faculty
Art Exhibition is also still on display in the
HUB Art Gallery. Gallery hours are 11 a.m.
to 4 p.m. and 6 to 9 p.m. daily.
On the agenda for the weekend is a jam
my in the Findlay Union Building featuring
the Donshires from 9 to 12:30 Friday night.
Admission is 35 cents, girls admitted free til
9:30.
Miss College of Agriculture 1968-69 will
be crowned Saturday night at the Ag Hill
Party. Nine contestants will vie for the title
and two finalist positions. The winner will
represent Penn State at the State Farm
Show:
If your Sunday afternoon is not tied up
with Derby Day events, go out and root for
the Kappa Kappa Gamma's in their Powder
puff Football Game against Sigma Alpha
Epsilon. The game, scheduled for 2 p.m.,
will be held at the Intramural Field near
Beaver Stadium. Admission is 25 cents all
proceeds go to chairty.
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not too much better than yours I
think there's a risk. There's a risk in
everything. We live in a risky world.
Neither one of us knew whether we
were going to get back from the rally
tonight or not.
We were liable to'get run over by an
automobile or hit by a brick down
there, or any one of a dozen things.
There is some risk to living.
Presumably we looked , at the risks
when we went in there. So there is
some risk that Red China might
come in, maybe the Russians even
might come in. Well, we'd just take a
look at it.
How much risk is there? China?
They've got plenty of problems of
their own over there right now. They
haven't got any weapon capabilities to
do us any damage anyway, at least
not now. Later on maybe yes. But not
.now they haven't.
So unless we put a big army on the
mainland so they could get at it, they
can't hurt us. I think we're foolish to
put a big army there. Every soldier
has recommended against that as long
as I can remember.
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IT WAS NO LEISURELY LUNCH yesterday for the Committee for University Reform.
The newly-formed group of students and faculty members listed its issues and con-
cerns, but could not agree 'on how its goals should be implemented.
New Committee for Reform
Group States Concerns
The newly formed Commit- ministration to refuse to meet •A University whose student
tee for University Reform with the faculty and students body and staff includes .%
yesterday issued a statement according to its criteria of only larger proportion of minority
of its issues and concerns, but speakin to legit i m a t e and working class groups con
could not agree on how its groups." sistent with the proportions of
goals are to be met, Wodtke concluded, "It's too such groups within the state.
Kenneth Wodtke, associate soon to say whether we need • Greater protection of the
professor of educational psy- this organization." The com- civil liberties of students and
chology, announced the forma- mittee made no immediate faculty.
tion of the group, made up of plans to meet in the near Democratic self-government
both students and faculty future. by students of University
members, at Sunday's Free Lists Goals organizations which directly
Speech gathering on Old Main The University Reform com- affect their lives, such as stu
lawn. mittee lists among its goals: dent government, stud e n t
Some members suggested •Increased representatiOn clubs, residence halls, food
that the 'committee join forces of faculty and students in service and book stores and
with the Free Speech Move- university decision mak i n g greater representation by stu
ment, but this move was op- resulting in an effec t i v e dents in the academic affairs
posed by several other mem- redistribution of power. of the University.
bers.
"The Free Speech Movement
is unorganized," one member
said. "Trivial issues ar e
discussed along with th e
significant ones.-We don't want
to duplicate that. We want
something structured," h e
said.
Need 'Strong Platform'
"Some faculty members are
turned off by these three words
(Free Speech Movement),",
John Withal], professor of
education, said." And the cen
tral administration is having
problems in thinking of how to
work with the students. We
need a strong platform, a
milieu where students and
faculty can collaborate and
discuss issues facing th e
University."
Another faculty member said
he thought the purpose of the
committee should be to "make:
it more difficult for the Ad-1
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