Opinion Editorial Unfunny Proposal Undergraduate Student Government President Jeff Long, speaking on a local radio station near the end of Fall Term, disclosed,that an investigation of Froth, the campus humor magazine, might well be one of the projects USG tackles this term. The reason an investigation might be considered? liccording to Long, the feeling is adrift that Froth is not living up to its charter-stated purpose of being a humor magazine. • In other words, the USG executive thinks Froth isn't funny and that USG should do something about it. (He suggested that if Froth wanted to be funny it should try its hand at spoofing student government at Penn State.) • It's not surprising that anyone should question whether. Froth is funny. Froth's humor or lack of it has been the 'subject of countless discussions ever since the magazine began publishing. What is surprising are the suggestion's implica tions that USG should be the watchdog of Froth and, presumably other campus publications, and that it considers itself qualified to judge just how many giggles, smirks and guffaws the magazine must elicit from its readers before it can justly be termed a humor magazine. Whether Froth is funny is not a question to be decided by any governing body. Whether Froth is funny is a question for its readers, and its readers alone, to decide. Their deci- My County Right or Wrong? TO THE EDITOR: Having served with a Marine Battalion in Vietnam, I am deeply concerned, intellectually and emotionally, with the questions surrounding the war and its protesters. (I attended, incidentally, the demonstration referred to by Mr. Dewar.) President Eisenhower has recently made a statement to the effect that he will oppose any Republican presi dential candidate who is against the war because such a candidate would be trying to take the meaning out of the supreme sacrifice offered honorably by 16,000 American young men. The meaning of their sacrifice must derive from the honorable motives of each individual soldier who has given his life. This significance can never be taken away from him or his family. Winning or losing the war in Vietnam has 'tile to do wth the honor or integrity of those serving there. The ex-President's statement presumes that simple duration in Vietnam, until the subjugation of the National Liberation Front and the Army of the North is accom plished, will give morality and honor to the over-all American effort there. The cause for which we fight in Vietnam must first be explained, examined and judged moral or immoral, honorable or dishonorable, before value can be attached to its espousal and defense. Only if this war be judged a moral one can further honor be attached to those who willingly served and died. If it is judged not so, can or should the integrity of those who participated in it, through invincible ignorance or sincere commitment, be debated? Certainly not. The question of honor that should and Must be discussed is that of this nation. A nation that can accept President Eisenhower's logic, ignore the question of morality, and continue to commit its youth in a cause which is largely unexplained and unexamined, is a nation whose honor is in question. Future victory in a war which is determined to be an immoral one, can bring no honor to those who have died, but further sacrifice of American lives will certainly impugn the integrity and honor of us all. Capt. J. L. Reilly, USMCR Successor . to The free Lance, est. 1887 ile Batig Tolirrtiatt 62 Years of Editorial Freedom Published Tuesday through Saturday during the Fall, Winter and Spring Terms and once weekly on Thut , sdays during June, July and August. The Daily Collegian is a student operated newspaper. Second class postage paid at State College , Pa. 16801, Circulation, 12,500. Mall Subscription Price: $8.50 a year Melling Address Box 467, State College, Pa. 16101 Editorlei and Business Office Basement of Sackett (North End) Phone 865-2531 Business office hours: Monday through Friday, 1:30 a.m. to 4 p.m Member of The Associated Press RICHARD WIESENHUTTER , DICK WEISSMAN Editor Business Manager Managing Editor, Sue Diehl; City Editor, William Epstein; News Editors, Martha Hare and Mike Serrill; Editorial Editor, Andrea Fatich; Editorial Columnist, Jay Shore; Sports Editor, Paul Levine; Assistant Sports Editor, Ron Kolb; Pho tography Editor, Mike Urban. 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If letters are received by mail, The Collegian will contact the signer for verification. The Daily Collegian reserves the right to select which letters VcV WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 10, 1968 ..ETTLR POLICY sions, expreSsed through the time-honored method of the voice of the dollar, should be enough to let the Froth staffers know whether Froth is living up to its role as a humor magazine. If USG does indeed launch an investigation of Froth (thereby establishing a precedent for USG 'in vestigations of all campus publications) campus pub lications will be faced with a most demoralizing result: the threat of control imposed by groups out side the publication's organization. - Most publications on this campus must answer to a faculty adviser. Many are -also responsible to a board of directors composed,- at least partially, of adult members. And the trend continues towards, complete staff authority and responsibility in student publications. Across the nation student publications are mov ing off campus in increasing numbers in order to es cape the limitations inevitably imposed by residence on a college campus. , But it seems that here at Penn State student publications may be in line for more, not less, outside supervision. The entrance of USG into the affairs of Froth or any campus publication would be both a giant step backwards for the fate of publications at Penn,State, and a giant step backwards for USG in its campaign for more student rights and responsibilities. We hope this is a project USG won't tackle this winter, or at all. Letters To The Editor Veterans Do Protest TO THE EDITOR: I hate to shatter Mr. Dewar's illusions but there are indeed veterans who oppose the war in Vietnam. To my knowledge there are at least two separate organizations composed of veterans working against the war. One is called Veterans for Peace in Vietnam, the other is simply Veterans Against the War. With this letter I have enclosed an advertisement which appeared in the Village Voice on November 9, 1967 announcing a peace rally at Union Square on Veteran's Day. The rally was .sponsored and the ad paid for by the Veterans for Peace in Vietnam, which should help sub stantiate their existence in case you don't want to take my word for it. 'Diseased Logic' • TO THE EDITOR: This letter is in resppnse to the letter by Mr. Robert Dewar, (sic), in which he criticized the Vietnam Vigil which was held on the eve of Thanksgiving. Behind the guise of flamboyant jingoism and diseased logic, there was apparently some attempt by Mr. Dewar to present a credible thesis. Ai least one part of that thesis was that the Penn State Vigil participants share a guilt by association with every other expression of anti-war sentiment that has oc curred during the Vietnam conflict. This type of argument is so obviously unfair that the writer condemns his own critique with his own phony gimmickry. But this is the least of his abrogations of rationality, and good sense. He has the audacity of speaking for the Vietnam dead, of accusing three local ministers of perpetrating a mockery of these dead, and. of heralding the righteousness of violence in response to our "cherished freedom to dissent". Mr. Dewar's intense reaction was especially surprising considering that the event which he criticizes was quite peaceful, orderly, prayerful, and informative.. We suggest that Mr. Dewar divest himself of his glaring involutionary menopausal fright, and that he stop looking for pictures of Mao under every bed, and attempt to use some intelli gent criteria for analyzing America's involvement in Viet nam before he again prattles his ignorance before the whole student body. A, vs. C, TO THE EDITOR: In the January 9 edition of The Daily Collegian an ,editorial entitled "'Average' Students" was published. We disagree with this editorial. We quote from the editorial: "The logic of the C+ student eventually wins out when the .theories so well memorized by the A+ student don't always suffice." This statement is apparently incorrect. How one can assume that .a C+ student is more logival than an A+ ,student is beyond comprehension. Also, an A+ student does more than memorize theories;, he learns them, since a good en gineer, for example, cannot depend upon . a handbook at all times as the C+ student is apt to do. Besides, it would seem that the majority of theories are developed by for mer, A+ students, and not C - students. . , The editorial states further: ". • . those students who protest, who participate, who lead at this university, can only boast a handful of the 'top students' in their ranks. The majority doesn't have academic records as shining as its extra-curricular records . , ." Apparently, the A+ stu dents don't have time to waste on such activities; they are too busy, or perhaps too intelligent, for this. Again we quote: "And we are not attending the Uni versity primarily to go to classes and pile up credits." Maybe the editor does not believe in attending classes, but we do. If we had been more concerned with socializing, we would have joined the Country Club or the Boy Scouts. Finally, the editorial states: "Use your ability and en ergy profitably, even if you're a C+ student." At least, we agree, for by using your ability and energy profitably, you too may be an A+ student instead of a C+ student. Something to look forward to Dwight S. Russell '6B Al Di Bernardo Bill Meyer Graduate Students Richard Ditch 10 Kenneth Simon '7O • , •.tP No previous experience necessary • Students of any major welcome BEHEIrS WORLD "Your biggest problem I, Vicious Circles TO THE EDITOR: Tuesday=s editorial and column were "outstanding": J. Robert Shore defended, advocated self deception, and the editor wrote a paean of praise to aca demic mediocrity, as though the latter were the con comitant of social and political awareness. _ • One wonders which is cause and which is effect: Does "C+" thinking result in Shore's defense. of self-deception or is self-deception behind the defense of mediocrity? Per haps it is a vicious circle. The Ultimate Rationalization TO THE EDITOR: Regarding Tuesday's editorial comment "Self-Truth Baloney", I can only come to the conclusion that Mr. Shore must think that life is really terrible if he believes we must stop the search for self-honesty and self-truth, and hide from reality behind a screen of lies. If this is the case, then why doesn't he go one step further and advocate the ultimate rationalization, suicide? By his reasoning, then this would really save us from wasting "all this unnecessary energy." What About The Rest? TO THE EDITOR: In one of the last editions of the Daily Collegian for the Fall Term, an article appeared concern ing the Douglas Association's request for an Afro-Ameri can History course to be taught at the University. I want to suggest that instead, a course be formulated that will include all the recommendations of the Douglass Association plus the difficulties faced by the Oriental- Americans and the American Indian. It could be entitled "History of Racial Minorities in the United States". Such topics included could be: e activities of American Indians prior to 1492 •the Indian Wars •Teddy Roosevelt and the Oriental Exclusion Act • life of an interned Japanese-American during World War II •FDR and the institution of relief • how to celebrate Chinese New Year •life on the reservation today The White Man in America must not forget that the Negroes are not the only racial minority that he has walked all over during the last 475 years. Ritenour: Health Center? TO THE EDITOR: Within twenty-four hours I have been involved in two emergency health cases. On each occasion it took the Ritenour ambulance 20 minutes to travel the one block distance to my dorm. Unfortunately, during this 20 minute period the girls involved were suffering greatly; and when the ambulance finally arrived, the boys driving it did not even know how to take the stretcher out of the vehicle. I feel that it is absolutely unforgivable that a uni versity of this size should have such unorganized and in adequate medical emergency facilities. Also, when students finally are admitted to Ritenour the care they receive seems to be highly lacking in efficiency. If Penn State can afford to have new swimming pools, a magnificent football stadium, new libraries, etc., they should act immediately and install an equipped and effi cient medical emergency staff. After all, what could pos sibly be more important than one's health!! Senior Class Says Thanks TO THE EDITOR: The officers and members of the Senior Class Advisory Board thank the Athletic Department, the Department of Maintenance and Utilities, sophomore Barry Levin, and all of those people who made our halftime shows possible. We would also like to thank Dr. Dunlop and the stu dents who made the graves, and carried the coffin in the skits. Tilt s Candidate School Wednesday, Jan. 17 151 Willard Bldg. 7:00 P.M. .0 1968 by NEA, 1nc:1 1 " 9114.4 r this year could be a 'charisma Douglass W. Cooper Graduate Paul Bilzi '7l Joe Anthony, '69 West Point, Virginia Judi Weinig Senior Class Advisory Board ~ttily ; C,littrgtatt CANDIDATE SCHOOLS Ernest C. Pollard, professor and head of the depart ment of biophysics, yesterday called for suspension of demonstrators who "disrupt the operation of the Univer sity" on the grounds that such action endangers "academic freedom." He addressed his remarks to the University Senate. The Senators applauded Dr. Pollard's speech loudly, but icy silence reigned when he called for a voice vote in support of his controversial proposal. Earlier one Senator had protested that "we shouldn't tie ourselves to a policy of suspension" because such policy would in some instances necessitate suspending large numbers of students and would also split the faculty. Indeed, if we adhered to Dr. Pollard's rather broad definition of "disruption," nearly anyone who opened his mouth in opposition to the Vietnam war would be eligible for suspension. Dr. Pollard should remember that demon strations, by definition,' are meant to cause disruption. They are organized for that purpose. He might have a better case if he called for suspension of students who cause de struction. But then, there are already rules which cover that offense. Apparently, Pollard's distaste for unruly demonstra- tions grows out of his support for the Johnson Adminis tration's ever-escalating course in Vietnam, his general distrust and lack of respect for student demonstrators and their supporters, and a misunderstanding of the protest movement as a whole. On Vietnam, Dr. Pollard asserted in an interview yes terday that he "by and large supports the position of the Administration's position in Vietnam." Though he is a strong advocate of majority rule, the polls reveal that he is in the minority on that issue. He is convinced that peace will cone only if the combatants do not let "emotion" seep into their negotiations. Dr. Pollard has a unique opinion of the typical anti war demonstrator. He is either a student "with a revolu tionary point of view ... determined to overthrow the gov ernment," or a student "who does not want to be drafted." or a pacifist, against all war on principle. In truth, most of the students in the protest movement are neither con spirators nor pacifists. They merely recognize the fact that we have, in a moment of anticommunist fervor, interfered in someone else's civil war. They recognized that to fight a land war in Asia serves no purpose but to antagonize the Chinese and thus bring the world closer to thermonuclear war. They recognize that the war is not in our national interest; that it is draining our economy and has alienated us from all but a small part of the rest of the world. Rational de bate and appeals for more peace, even at the risk of losing some national prestige, have gone unheeded by the John son Administration. "There is a feeling that there is something noble and worthy about such disruption," Dr. Pollard told the Senate yesterday. If disruption on a small scale, such as the recent demonstration at Harvard, which forced a short postpone ment of classes, serves to stimulate debate and eventually lead us off the path of self-destruction which we now seem to be pursuing, then it is indeed 'noble and worthy." Dr. Ernest Pollard is an eminent nuclear physicist, as his long list of awards, commendations and published books reveals. General Earle Wheeler is a superb military man, as his long string of medals reveals. But neither has ever received recognition for his political acumen, and both should therefore stay out of politics. TODAY ON CAMPUS Association of Wom e '1 Stu- 7:30 p.m., 111 3oucke dents, 6:30 p.m., 203 Hetzel Ranger Company, 7:30 p.m., Union Building Wagner Chess Club, 7 p.m., HUB ball- Ranger Staff, 7 p.m., Wagner room Science Student Council, 7:30 Penn State Sports Car club, p.m., 217-218 HUB PEAIVU'kS, 1 10 U KNOW, 111 IT'S JUST 1 ' I THIS AND YOU TALK ABOUT ?f t "I' THAT ALL THE TIME! r=YCIURSEL F ALL II THE TIME! Oil irk ri ; nis ) "I VAj Ar- Nil . _ qOU MAY NOT REALIZE IT, NT ALL ({OO EVER A? le, "1" "I" "I" "I" "I" ;; Editorial Candidate School Tuesday, Jan. 16 151 Willard Bldg. 7:00 P.M. Mike iSerrill Pcilard: Suppression Of Disruption By MIKE SERRILL Collegian News Editor