Members of Ford Peace Party Will Not
HARRISBURG sSSfel TELEGRAPH
LXXXIV — No. 282
ENLARGEMENT OF
ENOLA YARDS IS
BEING PLANNED
J
Increased Traffic Leading to J
Congestion Results in i
Expansion Scheme
WILL MEAN BIG JOB!
4-Track Bridge Over Conodo-1
guinet Will Relieve Hold
ing Up of Trains
Between January 1, 1916, and the]
beginning of Spring, the Enola classifl- >
cation yards will be enlarged if tha j
plans of the Pennsylvania Railroad .
Company do not miscarry. Increased '
traffic, longer trains and congested i
tracks between the upper end of West I
Fairview and a point north of Worm- j
leysburg will be responsible for the |
change. Already, it is understood, j
representatives of the purchasing de- ,
partment of the railroad company j
have approached property owners on j
the west of the company's right of •
way in the upper end of West Fair- |
The improvements, when they are
made, will include the removal of hun
dreds of tons of earth, the lengthening
of the bridge over the railroad tracks
at the upper end of West Pairview and
the rebuilding of an addition to the
railroad bridge over the Conodoguinet
reek, south of West f alrview, so that
t will accommodate four traclts.
At the present time the railroad
•ompany is laying additional tracks
11 the Knola yaras. longer trains,
lie result of more powerful engines,
ire being pushed over the "humps"
<nd the sidings, on which the freight
s classified are becoming crowded so
luiekly that the sidings will have to
be lengthened. This means the ex
fnsion of the castbound classification
iracks further south.
All trains runnincr into or out of the 1
yards by way of West Fairvlew, must j
pass over one of two tracks. This I
double tracking extends from the!
lower end of the yards to a point near !
Wormleysburg, where there are four
tracks. It is the railroad company's
intention to procure land along the
west side of the lower end of the
\ards. build additional sidings and lav
two more main tracks which will pro
vide a four-track system through to'
Wormleysburg. Laying these two new I
tracks, through to Wormleysburg, of
course, would mean the building of
MTI addition to the railroad bridge over
ihe Conodoguinet creek.
During the past few months, trains
which have been compelled to use one
of the two tracks between the lower
end of the yards and Wormleysburg.
have often been held up as long as
two hours before they oculd leave or
enter Ihe great classification yards.
Ground on the west of the com
pany's property will necessarily have
to lie taken because that on the east
would interfere with the street car
tracks and the State road to t such an
extent that an approach to the present
bridge at the upper end of West Fair
view would be impossible. By taking
lend west, the present approaches will
not be disturbed, and all that will be
necessary will be the addition of an
other span to the bridge.
Explosion in Munitions
Plant Causes Heavy Loss
By Associated Press
Madison. Wis., Dec. 2. Fire, be
lieved to have been caused by an ex
plosion, destroyed the plant of the
French Battery and Carbon Company
lust night, causing a loss of SIOO,OOO.
The French Battery and Carbon Com
pany. wh'ch manufactures dry cell bat
teries, has a largo business in Kurope.
Since the beginning of the war it has
been supplying the allies with large
stocks of goods. An Investigation by
the police has been started.
Attention
Merchants!
C In view of the heavy advertis
ing period I'rom now until Christ
inas. advertisers art' requested to
co-operate with this newspaper in
efficiently handling the business, by
supplying copy the day before pub
lication.
Only through co-operation of
this kind will it he possible to in
sure the best serviee, and the catch
ing of all editions.
C I'hone for the ad man the day
before.
THE WEATHER
For flnrrlNhurK and vicinity: Fair
aud nllghtly rol«l«»r to-nlßht and
Friday; low cut temperature to
night about 2M dcKrecN.
For lOnatern I'ennMylvanla: Fair
to-nljfht and Friday; not much
dtnitite In temperature; light went
wind*.
River
The >iiMquchannn river und all Itn
branche* will fall alowly or re
main about fttatlonni*}. A Ntaice
of about 4.0 feet In Indicated for
llarrlnliurft Friday morning.
(■cneral Condition**
The Mmall dcpreaalon In the l*ake
tleglon IN now central near Iluf
falo, moving wlnwlv northeaM. It
4aM canned light precipitation
montly Ntion, during the la*t
tucnty-four Koum, In the Ohio
and Miftquehnnnn valleya and over
the eastern part of the Great
lake*.
It IN • to ID ilegrecM warmer ia the
\tlantlc statei from Xew <i;ns
land to Florida.
Temperature: S a. m.. 32.
*uni Rlncn, 7:00 a. m.: aetn, 4:40
p. m.
Moon: IS'ew moon, December 6, 1:01
p. m.
niver stace: Four feet above low
water mark.
V>»terday*N Weather
IllgheM temperature. :ttl.
i.owent tern pern tu re. '.'f.
Mean temperature. Jl2.
, Aormnl temperature, 30.
PASSPORTS FOR
FORD PARTY TO
NEUTRALS ONLY
Peace Crusaders Must Stay Out
of Countries at War,
Lansing Decides
MISSION IS NOT FAVORED
Ruling Generally Interpreted to
Mean That; Suffragist
Refused Papers
By Associated Press
Washington, D. C., Dec. 2.—Secre
tary Lansing announced to-day that
members of the peace party planning
to sail on the ships chartered by
Henry Ford will not be given pass
ports to belligerent countries, but
only to neutral states in Europe.
Secretary Lansing made it plain
that passports were given to American
citizens for belligerent countries only
when business made It absolutely
necessary to-visit there or when they
were invited by some governmental
agency in those countries. Mr. Lans
ing explained that no distinction was
being drawn between members of the
peace party and other American citi
zens and that the general rule of the
Department of State was being ap
plied.
Mission Not l'avored
The ruling however, was generally
interpreted as meaning that the United
States does not regard unofficial mis
sions in efforts to make peace by
private persons as business of an
urgent character.
Very few applications have been
made for passports to visit belligerent
countries, the plan of the peace party
being to assemble a convention in one
of the neutral countries and to put
into operation their plans using a
neutral capital as a base.
Officials of the passport bureau have
not held up any passports for persons
of American birth but it was admit
ted to-day there have been the usual
difficulties with reference to natural
ized persons and the compliance with
State Department technical regulation
with reference to photographs.
Inez Milholland Boissevain. the
suffragist, was refused a passport be
cause her husband is a citizen of a
foreign country. The names of others
who may have experienced difficulty
in getting passports were not dis
closed.
CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
GETS LETTER FROM FORD
A letter from Henry Ford to the
Harrisburg Chamber of Commerce was
received to-day. It does not include
an invitation to the local chamber to
send a representative on the "Peace
Boat," but tells of the movement of a
determined effort that will be made to
end the war.
May Make Cost to
Operate Jitney $100;
Include Fee and Bond
Important changes to the new jit
ney regulation ordinance will be made
at the meeting of the City Commis
sioners Tuesday, it is understood, as
some of them consider the measure
too drastic in its present form.
The question of a $5,000 bond for
each jitney driver has caused a hitch.
Some bond company agents have de
clared that a bond of such propor
tions cannot be obtained by any jit
neur. The license fees, too, are con
sidered pretty high. While the com
missioners are strongly opposed to li
censing the jitney men without re
quiring tJiem to produce a bond In
sufficient amount to guarantee the
safety of the pedestrian or other trav
eler on the highways, I hey do not be
lieve the jitney should be legislated
out of business.
"My idea would be to make the
whole cost to the jitney not more
than a hundred dollars, this to include
the license fee and the cost of the
bond," said one of the couneilmen
to-day. "What we first must find out
is what a jit hey bond will cost. Then
we can go ahead our amend
ments. Council believes in firm regu
lation of the jitney, of that I am cer
tain. but I do not think any of us want
to adopt legislation so drastic as to put
them out of business."
Garrison Calls Taft
Philippine Charges
Reckless and Unjust
Special to The Telegraph
Washington. D. C., Dee. 2.—Charges
made by ex-President Taft concerning
the Democratic administration of af
fairs in the Philippines were yesterday
characterized as "unjust, unfounded
and reckless" by Secretary of War
Garrison.
In a lengthy statement in reply to
the former President's latest commen
tary on the conduct of Governor-Gen
eral Harrison in administering the
islands the Secretary of War said the
sweeping "generalizations" of the Taft
charges "can only be met by general
denials."
The secretary asserted the records
showed conclusively that the Harrison
administration had not "demoralized"
the public service in the islands.
Merit System in Public
Office Gaining Ground
By Associated Press
Philadelphia. Dec. 2. The merit
system in public office continues to
gain ground, according to the report
of the council of the National Civil Her
vtce Reform league, submitted at the
opening session here to-day of the
thirty-fifth annual meeting of the or
ganization.
"For over a third of a century," the
report stated, "the merit system has
been gaining ground, until It is now
ready, with the aid of public opinion,
to storm that medieval entrenchment
of tlic spoils system built on the phrase
•by anil with the advice and consent
of the Senate." t'onflrmatlon by the
Senate of those officials who have noth
ing to do with the determination of
public policy blocks the steady pro
gress of civil service reform."
The demolition of this system, the
council slated, rests with public opin
ion
HARRISBURG, PA., THURSDAY EVENING, DECEMBER 2, 1915.
HOW HIS SISTER RECEIVED SERGEANT HAGCI )
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MKPBBi MUt in a #■
D - 2S!i 9
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JET"
THE SERGEANT AND HIS SISTER IIIS FATHER
When Quartermaster Serjeant Haggi, among: the first Canadian sol
diors to be invalided home from the trenches in Trance, reached Toronto,
Ilia sister rushed to him to smother him. There wore about, but
what did he care. When she got through with him his father shook hands.
He was one of the 132 Canadians who had just returned.
KILL MANY DEER
ON FIRSfDAY
Good Reports From Camps in
Which Harrisburg Hunters
Are Located; Day's Record
in Pennsylvania yesterday at least j
100 deer were killed in counties within
a radius of 150 miles of Harrlsburg.
I'avorable reports for opening days
came from many localities last niglit.
Some hunters who were successful re
turned with their game and reported
success for other nimrods who are out
for a week.
No ilarrishurg names appear among
the list of successful hunters, but re
ports from camps in which nimrods
from this city are located tell of many
deer killed. According to reports, the
[Continued on l'a#e B.]
Fragments of 20 Bodies
Torn in Powder Explosion
Assembled For Burial
By Associated Press
Wilmington, Del., Deo. 2. After
careful manipulation, aided by all the
information it was possible to obtain
from personal friends, it has been pos
sible to so arrange the bodily frag
ments of the thirty victims of Tues
day's terrific explosion at the Du Pont
Powder Company's Hagley yard, in
(his city, as to provide separate burial
for twenty of them. The fragments
of the other ten victims will be
placed in one coffin, which will be
suitably inscribed with their names
and date of birth and date of death
on silver plate.
The separate funerals will take
place from respective homes of- the
identified victims while for the
others, collective services will be held
next Tuesday afternoon at 3 o'clock in
the Hagley community house, under
the general charge of the Rev. Wil-
I liam H. Laird, rector of Christ P. E.
church, assisted by ministers of
! various denominations. Interment will
be made in the cemetery of Silver
brook ,M. E. church.
There are no later developments in
respect of the explosion and no in
i formation whatever of a positive
character as to its cause. The general
belief that it was due to accidental
causes is not in any manner affected.
No agent of the federal government
has yet appeared here to enter upon
an investigation.
ITALIANS TO PI (AN SENDING
AX EXPEDITION IX) ADHANIA
By Associated Press
Ronie, Dec; 2.'—What is believed to
have been an intimation that an
| Italian expedition soon will be sent to
j Albania was given by foreign Minister
i Sonnino in his address before Parlia
j rnent when he said that as soon as
possible the Italian flag "would wave
from the opposite coast of the Adriatic
to help the Serbians."
SCOTT NEARING TO
TAI.K AT MECHANICSBCRG
Prof. Scott Nearing, professor of
sociology at the Wharton School of
! Commerce and Finance, who was
dropped from the faculty this year by
the trustees of the University of
Pennsylvania, will lecture December
11 at Columbian Hall, Irving College,
Mechariicsburg. his subject being "The
Kingdom of Man."
Dr. Nearing has just been named
dean of sociology at the University of
Toledo, Ohio. Ills lecture at Mechan
b-sburg will be under the auspices of
, the Magazine Club. ,
CONDITOSMV
•' t
Federal Reserve Agents Report
Activity in All Line#; ■
Heavy Orders
Washington, D. C.. Dec. 2.—HP ports
of business conditions throughout the'
country from Federal reserve agents,
are, in the main favorable and r "liow
improvement for November, accord
ing to information from these sources
published to-day by the reserve board.
Boston, one of the least optimistic
ot the twelve reserve district cities,
says that their busines.4 has im
proved "but slightly, if at all, but that,
the economies of the past month are
i»ot now being so rigidly observed and
that the public generally is spending
money more freely than in the past
due presumably, among other things,
to the fact that labor is more gen
erally employed."
Activity and improvement in trade
and industry continued during the
month, New York reports. Retail and
department stores have found business
very much better with an increasing
demand for higher grade goods. Steel
orders are reported as very heavy,
notwithstanding steadily advancing
prices.
Philadelphia says that conditions
throughout that district are gradually
becoming better and substantial im
provement is being reported in nearly
all lines, with mills and factories of
all kind" working at nearer normal
capacity .than for some time with
voluntary wage increases by some
| concerns and reduced working hours
! and larger payrolls than ever be
l fore.
A tremendous demand for steel pro
ducts and unprecedented activity in
I the steel and allied business continue
| through the Cleveland district with
I prices the highest since 1908. Output
from automobile and rubber manu
facturers is at capacity and there is a
scarcity of labor.
Cowden to Submit
.Market St. Subway
Plans on Tuesday
Plans for the widening of the Mar
ket strefet subway from house-line to
house-line will likely, be submitted to
City Council 011 Tuesday by City En
gilder M. B. Cowden.
The change will mean the widening
of the forty-foot street to the full
width of eighty feet, the building of
approaches from Fifth street on the
sou'.h, as far as the railroad tracks
aivd front the north as far as Straw
berry street and the construction of
steps from Cowden street. The grade
on the approach will be reduced from
live and'a half to live per cent. In
cidentally the sharp curve In the sub
way will be'" practically eliminated.
(City Engineer t.'owdcn declined 1o say
v,-hat the proposed changes will cost.
He wiK refer, in his report to the con
sequential damages that may result.
The presentation of plans' to Coun
cil is ir. accordance with City Commis
sioner M. Harvey Taylor's resolution
of several months ago. The railroad
company authorities .told the City
Planning Commission yesterday, that
it will co-operate with the city in
| bringing about the improvement-
IM-NKSS OF MISS ADDAMS
PUZZLES IIKR PHYSICIANS
Chicago, Dec. 2.—Although the na
ture of the illness of Miss Jane Ad
dams, head of Hull House who was
taken to a hospital Tuesday, remains
undetermined, her condition Is not
alarming, according to the report of
her physicians to-day. Miss Addams
Is resting comfortably. It will be sev
eral days before It can be determined
[whether an operation ia necessary.
WITHDRAW FORCES
FROM SERB FRONT
INTO BULGARIA
Military Critics Believe Ger
mans Arc Preparing For An
other Offense in Balkans
PENETRATE MONTE NEGRO
Whether New Move Will Be
Against Franco-British or
Russians Is Not Known
London. Dec. 2, 12.27 p. m.—Mili
tary events in the Balkans are appar
ently in a transitory stage which may
preface another irerman offensive, but
whether this will be made against the
Franco-British troops which hold all
that remains of Serbia or against the
Russians should they launch an at
tack against Bulgaria from the East,
the present situation gives no indica
tion. A Saloniki dispatch reporting
withdrawal of Field Marshal Von
Mackensen's forces from the Serbian
front in Bulgaria is interpreted in
some quarters as confirmation of the
second alternative.
With Prisrend in Bulgarian hands. |
both the Austro-Germans and the |
Bulgarians have formally announced]
the completion of their Serbian cam- j
paign. Vienna officially estimates the i
capture of more than GO,OOO Serbians
by General Von Koevess' army during
the month of November alone. More
over it seems certain that the Serbians
in their retreat over Albanian moun
tain passes, encumbered by civilian re
fugees and made more difficult by
| wintry weather were forced to leave
I behind them a large part of their
| equipment including most of their
| heavy artillery, motor cars and other
j transports.
Penetrate Montcnejiro
j The Germans are now engaging the
j Montenegrins on the Montenegrin
| frontier and at heavy cost have pene
i trated some distance beyond the bor-
Ider. Vet this struggle is not compar
jable to the serious and sanguinary
' fighting which marked the Serbian
i campaign last month and which has
now almost ceased.
Notwithstanding all the entente ne
gotiations at Athens, the Greek situ
ation to-day remains much as it was a
month ago. It is now clear that
Greece has determined not to demob
ilixe or withdraw her army from
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53 British Steamers
With 646 Persons Sent
to Bottom in November
By Associated Press
London. Dec. 2.—Beports received
by the Board of Trade during Novem
ber tell of the sinking of 53 British
steamers with a total net tonnage of
63,072. with the loss of 646 lives.
In the same period the loss was re
ported of 35 British sailing vessels of
4,977 net tonnage with six lives. So
far as the figures show only twenty
!of the steamers were sunk by Ger-
I man warships and ten by mines but.
| 497 of the lives lost were on steam
j e>-s sunk by German warships.
I These figures do not record'the total
| casualties for November but merely
! the reports received, some of which
relate to previous months.
Detectives Work as Coal
• Trimmers in Effort to
Find Cause of Fires
By Associated Press
New Vork, Dec. 2. Acting upon
i suspicion that the fires which have
started in coal bunkers of several
steamships leaving here with munitions
of war for the entente allies were
. caused by chemicals mixed with the
coal. Federal and city detectives are
working as coal trimmers in the bunk
! ers of some of the steamships now
• loading here. One of the steamships
, whose coal supply was carefullv In
spected bv detectives IB the French
liner Rochembean, which caught fire
on her last east-bound voyage and
which leaves here Saturday for Bor
i deaux.
The investigators are said to have
received information from an undls
. closed source that a new chemical com
pound is being tested by persons seek
ing to prevent the movement of war
munitions and that coal Impregnated
with this compound will take fire spon
taneously.
T.vcn OK SNOW
Less than an inch of snow fell early
(this morning in the city and vicinity
!In the first real snow of the season,
j Before noon it had melted and fair
i weather held sway. The snow, accord
.} ing to the local weather bureau fore
, least was only a local one. Heavier
, (.snowfall was recorded in the mountain
j districts. Fair weather is predicted
for to-morrow with the lowest tem
• perature to-night about 28 degrees.
i
| "Wrote ]
fir I .I'cmnti'. t.Hrrary Coatcat
Continue))!
81—-"Why coram temptation, but for
man to meet
And master and ninke cronch be
neath HIN foot.
And no he pedestaled In triumph f'
3-—"Manners must adorn knowledge,
and amo'nth Its way through the
Tvorld. I.lke a great rough dia
mond. It may do very veil In a
closet by way of rurlonlt.v, and
also for Its Intrinsic value."
33—"Not only aronnd our Infancy
Both Heaven with all Its splendors
llei
Dally with souls thnt cringe and
plot.
, We Slnals cllmh and know It not."
| 34—"We few, we happy few. we liand
of brothers."
35—"The whitewashed wall, the nlcelv
sanded floor.
The vnrnlsh'd clock that cllek*d
behind the doori
The ehent, eontrlv'd a double part
to play—
A bed by night, a cheat or drawers
by day."
V. C. M'CORMICK
CHOSEN TO GUIDE
YALE'S FOOTBALL
First Move in Foundation of'
System to Compete With
Harvard's I
FAMOUS AS QUARTERBACK
Brink Thorne and John R. Kil
patrick Selected to Serve ]
With Him
Vance C. McCormick, for ner Mayor j
of Harrisburg and candidal • for Gov
ernor of Pennsylvania, lias been
named as one of three former football
stars to put Yale back on 'he football
map. Associated with him will be
Brink Thorne and John It. Kilpatrick,
of New York. This committee will be
chief advisers in the gridiron depart
ment. A dispatch from New Haven
I to-day says:
"As the first move to the foundation
|of a system of football at Yale to
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[Falls in Love With Her
| Photo; Now They Are Wed
Special to The Telegraph
I Denver. Col., Dec. 2.—A photograph
'of a pretty girl, displayed on the inan
tlepiece in the home of Dr. and Mrs
H. D. Sewell, of Chama. N. M„ a year
I ago. resulted in a romance when Miss
! Blanche Kauffman. of Mechanicsburg,
Pa., and Miguel A. Gonzales, a wealthy
cattleman of Abiquiui, N. M„ were
married yesterday at the Central Pres
byterian Church.
"If I should meet that girl, I know
I should fall in love with her," said
Gonzales when he first saw the pho-'
togrraHfr l-ast June Miss Kauffman
went to Chama to visit her sister, Mrs.
Sewell. She never returned East, but
stayed in the West to marry the man
who fell in love with her picture.
Special to The Telegraph
Mechanicsburg, Pa.. Dec. 2.—The
bride is the daughter of Mr. and Mrs.
A. G. Kauffman, in South Market
street, and her marriage surprised a
large number ol' friends here. Mr.
Gonzales is ,a wealthy ranchman, liv
ing near Chama. Mr. and Mrs. Gon
zales are expected here on a visit and
will spend Christmas with the parent*
of the bride.
■ r 1
ft wa
\ by Ann -rive<r here . to- '
% day on the cruiser San Diego, General I s \
m ances that such protection would be afforded, (
1 READY TO SURRENDER MONASTIR %
C ioniki and C
C 3 Rome, G
t say arra surrender ©£ j
C Monastir. C
| SIR SPENCER PONSONBY-FANE DIES %
C London, Dec. 2, 2.10 P. M. Sir Spencer Ponsonby- j
C Fane, wno was an attache of the British embassy at Wash- \
\ ngton e age of 91 S
C STEAMER FROM NEW YORK STRANDED S
C London, Dec. 2, 3.07 P. M.—The Wilson Liner Maren »
% m New York for Hull, is stranded on the Goodwin %
\
I GERMANS ENTER MONTENEGRO
% :onic forces, (t
# t - C
1 e and Jabuka, in Northwestern Monte- «
i adquartt- *
announced to-day. »
' Boomer, W. Va,, Dec. 2. —Six more bodies were to-day W
1 | ut xf mine No. 2, oi the Boomei
I Company, additional victims of the explosion which last W
' l Tuesday fired an entry a mile from the surface. One of the 9
I men rescued soon after the accident died during the night, B
ithc sixteen dead, found yesterday, brings the M
/ i 2- Villa forces in northern Mexico 9
and a lar,. /
, according to #
reports ite Department t'o-diay from Guaymas. t M
formal I
denial tw-iughi that it had considered-thetp-ssibiUty ot join- C
0 tU.U ocuu
MARRIAGE LICENSES S
UeorKe \\. Ilunrrit, Miiinnrrilnlr, noil lltlrn A. noatiimn, rlt/, \k
\or«r-.n llrnrj Khoarin anil Irrnr Mary l.onichniiuli. city. f
llnrry Marlln Kplcr, Hummdilonn, and violet May Ithlnc, Herakcy. t
POSTSCRIPT — FINAL
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BIG IMPROVEMENT
LEAGUE WILL BE
STARTED BY CAMP
HILL COUNCILMEN
Committee Appointed to Meet
City Planners Will Ask
Other West Shore Folks to
Give Views
PLANS ARE MATURING
FOR COMING CONFERENCE
! Messrs. Deen and Myers Take
Steps to Get Sentiment of
Citizens in Cros* River
Towns
By ROBEKT F. UOKMAX
I Definite action on the formation of
a West Shore Improvement League
will be taken at a meeting of the Camp
Hill borough council on Thursday
evening, December 9. At that time
Carl K. Deen and Robert L. Myers,
j members of a committee appointed to
; meet members of the Harrisburg City
Planning Commission, will make a re
port and at the same time map out a
plan for getting the sentiment of per
sons. in other West Shore towns re
garding the opening of an improve
ment epdeh.
Some, time ago the Valley Railways
Company addressed a letter to (be
Camp Mill boroug'n council and asked
that body to change the name of Park
avenue. The letter explained that
there was another Park avenue at Fort.
Washington and that strangers were
' [Continued on Page 5.]
TWO MORE STIVMKKK ARE
VICTIMS OF SUBMAItIN'Kfc
By Associated Press
London, Dec. 2.—Two more British
steamers, the Colenso and the Orange
Prince have been sunk presumably by
German submarines.
Tlie Colenso, 2,532 tons, sailed from
Middlesboro, October 2S for Hull
where she arrived October 81 t'ot*
Bombay.
The latest maritime records sho'V
I that the Orange Prince. 2,296 tons,
was at Liverpool October 7.