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THE SCRANTON TRIBUNE- 3 IONB AY, NOVEMBER 17, 1902.
OF THE COMMISSION
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refened to the commltU-p uti scale. The
motion to refer was carried. Q, Win
there any fiction by the committee on
enle on Mir subleer,' A. In Hip closing
nf the cnnvpiitlon. nil the tosnliitlotis you
hnv rend I lull uppom lo lie adopted,
wpip leeonsldtlod mill ipfctied to Hie
PNPCIIlllC IjO.tldH of tlm tin oo dlnttlcts,
In-so-riir i tliev dlieetpd (he calling "lit
of nnv men
IJ. Have ,oil icnMillon No. !!,)
A A'ps, sir.
Q. (Heading). "Wherein, tlip district
e niivpnilnn of No I derided to Insist upon
forcing f II niPD In nml mound Hip mines
tfp become members ot thr union, nml
thnl we to ntlthntlzed to ipfuc lo woik
with noii-unlon moil : nmt, wIipipu, two
niembets of a caul committee it I the
Nottingham tolllei;- have boon ill
ohfilgeil for enmllilng enuls; Hie refine,
he It teolved. Hmt wp Insist upcni II. o
leltistntonic nt of thoip meuibei lo their
former positions, aiul If the i-nmpnuy n
fuse. thnl ii geni-ial stilke be onleied lit
nil i nlllorlcs of Hip company. Sinned -T.
I). NIolinlls. 'I'lie committee I'oni'ins In
the nbovn teiohitloii. .loed Unit
oun"ilr In the ropoil of Hip committee.
Motion em lied" Is Hint llghl"' A.
Tlint Is collet l,
Mr. Dnirow Mai I ink Hie witness
1nst lo look .it the ImeU or the book
thete? Thete weio innii' ol those llllltteis
Hint weio tocon-dilerod. u,nl I ,'iin not
sine m.vself what thev weio.
Mf. AVIIIins: We will come lo thnl.
.Mr. L)m tow .Ium n von please, 1
thought I would mention II.
Mr. Wlllcox: We will come to that.
,lust fix you please.
Q. Have you ipiitillnu
Do .ou mean the whole
Air. Dm low:
A Ves. sir
Q. i Rending). "Whcu-iis It N .1 well
known fact that In many section. of the
hiil'miellp region theip Is a svste'u ot
'onlinet liiSngue which Ik, ami has In on,
cry obnolous ami lcloit In Its fulfill
ment. Inasmuch that In iimiiv ( ono
m.'ii omplovs Horn tour to twenty Inhor
eis, and In sonip cases the inutlni'lnr sel
dom PiitPl.s or comes upar the woik lor
one or two weeks at a time, and this In
Itself Is not the muse or piltitlple ndvo
cated by the I". .M. W. of A.: therploio,
lie It molted, th.it nnv nieniber of the
organization who shall cnnti.ict for such
woik us will neiessltiiie Hip emiIo.Mneut
of more than two labnieis, excepting
such tonti.iets as shaft sinking, slopo
sinking or tunnel diivlng, shall be ex
pelled from the l M. AV. or A.: and we,
tlm members of the f M. W. of A., ab
solutely refuse to work with nny man to
epplert fioni. the union: nnd be It fui
ther iesideil, that we condemn the em
ployment of Inlioieis in chutes and lioael
lups, nr monkej.s and hreasis, as Is now
ptaeticcd In some pat Is or Hie anthra
flte region, and we recommend the aboli
tion of such Piiiplojniuit. The committee
f minus In the above it-solution. , Moved
we (oncur in the repoit of Hie committee.
Motion canled." Is Hmt corieet. A. Yes
Q. Now. vou have said, that after liav
luir adopted all these resolutions, they
weie nil r-cnnsdpiod. A. I am spenklnj;
eiitliely from niemoiy lu sajlnir so; th.it
In the I'lnsini; of the convention a motion
was made to reler all the mattcis of
that kind to ovecuthe boaids. r will liv
to find it hi a minute. I wish to call
attention to It later on.
A Mng'izine Offeietl.
Mr. Willi on: r want to offer the
Atneiloan l-Vilcr.itlonNt for September,
Air. Da i tow
Mr. AVIIIeo: think wc mlKlit as wtll
oit'er the whole maRas-lno.
Air. Harrow: 1 do not think we want
to object to anj thing.
The f'halrnun: r.et me ukk st th.it,
In view of the Immense, load of doeu
inentnry testimonv Hint we me llkelv lo
h.ue. .Mm li.nl betnr point out what
parts or that nmsas-.lne j nil wish to call
the attention of the ommlssioi: to. Mv
sucrsostlon is simplv In icgaid lo tho
volume or testimonv. -We ilo not want
to hae to welKh this testimony, actuallj,
on eilhcr side. (I.auclitei).
i(. Un -5terdav tlir-io was some lelei
euco to Hie matter or plekellng, r un
flriMnnd tint the opoi.itlons of Hie pick
ets are diueled bv the loeals? A. Yes,
sir. ;. In the dllfeient vicinities when
the pickets net? A They may bo dl
leited by the local unjons or thev may
be dhoetod bj mass nieetlngs of mine
I want to lead the sin lenient made
li Mr. fiomp'is, pi"-sdent of the Amerl
ian l'ederntlon ol Labor, at the Phloru'o
Ti list eoufd'-nee, In September, 1W, Tt
Is as lollow-: 'It has been said that 01
irauled Inlior is a tiust, and 1 want lo
sav In connection with this. Hint to our
mlnilH thai s nn absolute nilsnomei. Or
ganised labor thiow.s Its doois to all
who work for wages, mid asks them to
"ome lu and slmi" the henelils AVe tiy
to pieeni. In nil menus within ou'i
jiower, any one nom leaving or going
outside the union You lannot break
into a titi-i, and lor this leasou I want
to mv that fin.v legislation piopostd In
11 Is-, conference, or liv um- legl.slntine, or
bv congress, which duei mil eliminate or
speclnllv "Minpl oiganl.ed labor liom
the opeintlons of the law. will meet) the
nuiioson(d oppo.ltlfin of all H:o labor
foteis of our countiy" Dins t'lut e
pics, j-inu- lewfV A. Ml Cinmppis Is
the-e expiesslug his own views, and
ttii'Wnio entlrelv Independent of anv
ewn I lltie If you enie lo have nn
epieson ot my opinion on the subject
ot trusts I will be eiy glad to glo it.
Missed the Point.
Q, No, I think .oii missed tlm point,
AVhelher In nnv legislation lu legard to
trusts, organised labor must be ctcpttd
or tlm legislation will bo opposed. A, I
should h,i that the 1'nlted Mluo WoiKpm
of America would eiy stienuously op.
note nny leglsiiitloii Hmt would deny
them tho light to 4)rminl7.e. In their
tucent fnim, or any oilier law ml foini.
It would not look with lavor upon nnv
1-iw that would IcglMnto them out of
Q, No, I suppose that Is patuinl; we
would nil ague on thnl ( notice that
on use quite rrequenllN tho pprosson,
"IMiib wiif,'ps a. Well. I would regaid
n 1IIhk wiigo for u coal miner, tl.o
amount liciessuiy to g dm (oa! miner
or coal mlno worker it living wage, lo lie
not loss than 3Wi a oni. ii. And would
Hint upplv to Hie cuuntiv genei.illy a.
No. 1 think not; It would depend vcrv
Ijiigoly upon people's environment, I pie
suine. n poison living nt one point might
lecpilie n little iiioio IIiiiii niiotlier, but 1
think lu Hie mining region j woukl ie.
tiulro $111) to purohusp iho at-tunl neees.-l.
ties and permit tho mlno woiKoih to edu
cjtti llielr cliildicn.
Uy tho ('halrmun; Will ou nllow mo
, tei nsk. nifiey for my own Infm million,
Iiretsey what you menu by saying sueli
n wiigo ns nmong other IhlugH would
peinilt the mlui'iM to edueato their cliil
dron do you menu to penult litem lo
nvull theniselvod of tlin puldlo school, op
- to spend a poilluu of llielr Income, iiiui-t.
ly for educiitlon, A. 1 Jus! nit-im u wngo
that would penult Hiuui to send thelr
rhlltlrc-n to tho public schools and gioj
, tuein n koou coiumou trcuooi eiiucatlon.
O, Sucli u wugo would nut put the nee.-s.
slly upon them of employing their labor
to lucre. ise llielr liuoine, do you uif.Ui
that? A. Ye. hr.
Uy Mr. WIIIciin; (J ltlglu theie. as
the i-omniisdon lias asked 'It, Is It your
view thnl llu-rt- should ho no employ,
incnt of labor under u ceitnln ugoV .A.
PeiHOiutlly 1 do not bellevo Hint nny
chllil should woil; mil II It bus obtained
n reasonably sutlslnclory (-duentloii, nnd
In no event until It has obtained 11 je.ua
Here- It wtis bioutiht "t troin the. law
b.'ioks and tho witness tmt, in the an-
tin iii-lte tnliip.s n hoy tmint h 14 :enln
of ugo lo wink Inslile antl VI yeais lo
wmk ouislilc n itilno, ami Unit In the
blttitiilnmi? legion nf Pennsylvania the
minimum ngo for both outside nml in
side woik Is 1'J years.
Employment of Boys.
Ily Mr. WIIlov: Q. Mr. Mitchell. Imvo
th- initio woikeis ever Inlten nny notion
with lefetonco lo modifying this stnlute
as to Ptnployiniiit of boys lu the nn
tlii utile mines? a, They hava tnado a
pait of thell flculfiintUil'of pill poses Hio
ennclmeiit or laws piohlhltlng the ein
ployment of ho.vs until they uie fotutceii
years or tige. Q. 'J'hey have not done nny
thing but l hat'.' A. I do not know what
slepa they Imvo whtit has been done In
the leglslnluic or tho stale or I'eunsyl
vanln. (). So far as jou are awaio, no ef
foit has bet u mndp to t-liango lids law?
A, I might sav thai I would be lu a ton
tllllon to know very little about what
out legislative commlttPt-.s were doing tit
attending sessions nf the legMittuie We
have si-vcitil ollici witnesses who uti!
ei, lan'.lllaiy with what tliey have dotio
lu tllllt lespeol.
). Would uti mhoeale oh inglng this
law so as to taNe Hie uge ,-u which bo.vs
should be emplovedV A, A'ts, lr. CJ. To
what age',' A- I'onrteen. g. You think
foul teen woliltl be the ptoper, age-.' A No,
I do not think II would he the piopcr a-,
mil I tutiik It should be (lie minimum ago
at which bo.xs mo emplovtd tftider the
pieseiit eondltlons. Q. That is on tho
bieaki-is? A. Yc, sir. Q. Is It not ii
fuel that then- me n gu-j.1 many bH-aker
Inns who nio snppottlng llielr mnthets
oi ssts or relatives who me flependent
on HieinV A, Ves, sir, It Is true. Q Js it
nnl also the fact tliat thi'lo ale u giea(
nuin bie.ilter bovs at woik who have
f.itlieiM e.-iinlng good waKes? A As to
tliat 1 do not know. Q. A'ou do not know
about thitt? A. No, 1 do not know ubout
the iiai i as to their falheis earning good
wages. (I.aughtei). Q, Ootid wages as
wages go-nveiage wages? A. No. tho
fact of the matter Is Hint my InToi million
Is entliely to Hie conti.uy. uj. That then;
me veiy few or the bieakei bo.s wen k
Ing w-hOM- fntheis nie e.uning avenge
wages? .. do not know, f piesiime
thete an- quite a number of the hois
w oi king whose fathers are earning the av-
eiage; wages pahl In the nntlu.iclte mines.
Q. es? A. Yes, 1 nutlet Htani! that Is
tine Q. Do you know whether those boys
can phi n moie anywlicie else? A. Do jou
mean bv seouilng emplov ment anywlioio
else in the antluatlte field. Q. Yes? A. t
do not suppose there is employment lor
them. Q.tAuil would It be a luudsliip to
cut off this souice of Income fiom tliem
tills soinee uf Incomes to those dependent
upon them? A. I should say that
unless the wages of their paionts me
made sullleleiil. that It would he a Jiud
slilp to cut off the entnings of their chll
dieu. Proper Age for Woik.
Q Hut I s.ij, you would not advocate
Iho lull oiliti Hon ot such niaehlneiy. antl
In tliat way the cutting off or employment
Jrom these bo.vs? A. I sliould say 1 peison
nll. should advocate cutting ofi" employ
ment fiom those little bos. Q. Hoys under
what age. do jou say? A. IVisonallv, I
believe Hint they ought In be In school
until tluj ,ue stcen; but I sny Hih
principles of our otganballon aie that
they should lenialn In school until they
me fuller n
Q. Now, .Mr. Alitclioll. L-omlne back lo
whcio 1 was, has theie been nnv d
manel for lecognltlon of tho I'lilted Mine
Woikers. as your demands have been
hcictofme pit-sented? A. Yes. sh. AVell.
now, t.iki: jour lelegiam of tho Sth ot
May to the presidents of the coal 01111-
p.mlis; llieio was no deinand lor reeog-nltlo-i
of the union, was Hump" a. Tho
ele In Oolller'a Weekly Hint for more
limn twonlydHe yenis the coal tnliin
workciM of I'entisylvniiln had ehnfed tm
eler the mosl Intoleiulile nnd Inlitimnne
L-ondltlnns of employnicnti nml 1 think
yon Imvo stated that on other occnslons.
What peilod did you irfcr lo? A, I menu
the peilod running hack Iwenlyflve years
fiom now. 11, Kinm liiiw or from 1W?
A. l-'rom the beginning of Hip slrlko of
Mull. The slrlko of l!H0 Imprnveil Hip enn-
iiiuoiis or employment somewhat, Q.
WI111I knonleilgo have joti-of any lediic
Hon or wage ever having been made In
Hip iintliraelte legion lu nil that time, A,
1 hate a veij RPlmtnl kuon ledge of te
dtiellons having been made by luci eas
ing the hp or Ihe orirs the men vvera
comppllul to lond: lequlilug mnlo lop
ping; IncrensiuR- Iho size or the ton: cut
ting off of pay ror dead win It i nllnwaneps,
find so foith, Q, Your knowledge Is geu
ciiil nnd fmuidul on what people havo
told jou? A. Nefoisarlly, It, was Hio n
sull of 1 epiuts made (0 me. tj. Hut you
elo not know of any general reduction In
the rates of wages In tho niitlitacllo le
gion In that time, do you? A, I tin not
know or any genornl loduptlou: no, sir;
Miy morp Hutu its I have Informed oil.
ii-Kiiiui nseu tioes not, s.tv tlieie Is 11
demand for iccognltlon or the union. Inn
the teiegiam is sent Iiy the union,
and tile union is speaking thtougii
those who aie negotiating with Hio
taliway piesltlents. Q. As. hut theie
is a statement theie ,i( Hlieo de
mands which Hie union makes, and iee-
ognitlcm Is not one of them Is it? A. Not
in this p.u titular telegram; but it would
,ho necess.tiy to sn.v. Mr. Wlllcov, tliat
this teiegiam was scut lust botore ,
slilke was to In- Inauguiateil. and re
fened to demands made pi lor to tli.it
Q. It does not seem to tontaiu anj such
refeience in the bndj of the lelegiam.' A.
Tho letters that weiu dhected to the 1 nil -wav
piesltlents In last Mm oh. 01 dining
Kcbiuniy, asktd tliem to meet in ronfei-i-nee
wltli Hie mine woikeis for the pur
pose of adjusting vvago (inferences nnd
malting ngi cements, and tills telegram Is
sent In loieiento to our falluio lo agioo.
Q A'es, but the demands aie Muted 111
the telociiim? A. I'm 1 of tho demands
me. Q. Alt. Mitchell, 1 call jour atton
llon to tlte tn tlele which you wrote, pub
lished lu Collier's Weekly, September ii,
IM.', entitled "The Voice of Labor." That
set ms to contain' this statement: "Wo
make no foimal demand for iceognlllon
of the union" You publish, d tlint Mutn
inent, didn't joif A. Yes, but the in Hole
goes on lo ray: "Wo moiclj niguii that if
un agit-enient could bo leaciied between
omployeis and employes which would hi
ll,i.ll.itr ,.,, l.n.l, t... ., .....,..!.. ..... !.i ..
.i,t,.,,l, , i,i,,. ,,,, it Sl-lllllll )t- lull IJ
time, say tluco or four jeans, it vvniihl do
uwny with Iot.nl strikes." And so on
So It piovides for an aeiecmcnt
Q. Hut It says also that theie Is no
fin mul domain! for recognition of Hij
union, does It not? A It Is tuio that Hint
statement nppenis theie, but the e--planatlons
of It must go along witli It,
Q. What Is tho explanation? A. 1 might
snv that a considerable number ot people
vveio under the lmpiesslon Hint the slrlko
was simply lor lecognltlon ot' tho union;
and letognltlon of the union was not by
nny means thu Impoitunt Issue lu tho
stilkc. or the paiamount Is.nie, 1 might
sa, or had betler saj-
The Specific Demand.
U Now, lu this icport of the depuit
nieiu of labor, on pago 11 Vi, tho statement
is 1 ontaiiieti thai
"The spot HI,- deniiintlH, as given to nio lu
wilting, by Mr. John Mitchell, tho piesl
dent ol the I'ulted .Mine Woikeis of
Ameilta, wcio as follows:
"I. That theio shall he an Inoio.-iRi, nf
JO per font to the Illinois who me paid bv
1 no tiiii-iimt is, for men pmfotmlug con.
linct woik, Theso men luvulvo ubout 10
mi cent 01 all tho nilncis.
'?. A leductlim in ro per cut in the
time 01 ptr diem -niplo.ves, Th miip-x
1110 opeiated uhiuii ;(hi iI.ijh pel ytar 10
Iioiiis per daj. This demand, II gianlid,
would lesull in icdinipg the day to h
linuis CU per tent.), so Hmt tint mines
would bo operated 210 d.ijs ut about tho
sauio pav; heiito an eimlvalent or iu per
cent, lueieasii (11 the eainlugs. no lucieaso
in to.j 1, ucs in nr iiivin eiupioyes being
".!. That :'.?!') pounds shall cniHtltulo the
Ion oil which pajiuent la based ,u- all
10.1l mined when- tho mlneis am paid by
weight. This would npply In any illstilet
vvlieii) weighing nf coal would bo pine,
licuhle, nnd to those mlneis who aie paid
by thu fiuantlty and not thosu paid by the
"These loustlliiiR Hie spot lilt demands
of Hut ma I mlno nmplojos, mid Hieio h
110 illsaBieenu-iit lih lo tho siibstunoe ()
J. That Is coiieet, Is it not? A. Ym
J. Then Hio lepoit fuitiiur states;
"TIii-h deimiiiilti being lejtcted, Hie
Illinois bubsenucntlv oITeied to acotpt
oiie.lKilf-thut-.tltt Is to sn- 10 per cent,
incre.-uo In (ho pay per ton wheie mining
Is paid lu that nmimer, nnd 10 per cent,
tlccieaso In tho winking day."
That Is coin-ot, Is It not?
A. Thu Illinois did pot offer to accept
thut amount. Their representatives in
the confeience with the inllvvuy pnsl
tlfiits proposed Hint in oider to nveit a
itilkir. Hint that be recommended.
CJ.-I noilee that you state In this mil.
A Foil in Wages,
f-i. s I nndeistiind, Hieie was In Hiu
liliitinlnous legion an aveiage fnll us low
as TO cents a iiuy, is not Hint so? A. f
do not know that that Is so. Q. Old j-uti
not o slnte befoie the Indiistilul com
mission. A. I might say, ror jour Infor
mation, that at Ihe time of my testimony
before- Hip national liiilustilnl commis
sion, l wns speaking 011 luroimntlon then
lu my possession that f presumed to bo
Collect, A tcfeii-ncn lo the co-il lepoils
ol the same join- Indloiiled that I had
Included In mv calculations Hility per
cent, or the eiuplojes out of the milieu,
who were not din illy engaged lu mining
coal, and neepssnilly that illy te-dlmony
would ludloale Hint wages wete fnity-lwo
per cent, lower than they leallv w-eio at
that time: and since that lime there
have been fill tiler Inci eases ()r some sixty
per cent. . Now, what have been Hie
Incienses In the anlhlaclto wngos? A.
Theie has been u lucieaso or ten per
01 nt , gouernlly speaking. Q. AVh.it. slncu
IVtS. havo lj,een Hie Incienses In tlm
Mtiimhiou legion-? A. Since IS'is? (,).
A'hu. a. 'J'hero was an Increase or eigh
teen per cent, lu the spilng of 1S'H, anil
un IneiensQ or Iwelity-one one-hiui-dredths
per cent, lu the spilng of l!w.
Tlieie was nNo nn Inere.ise of eleven per
cult paid lu Ihe fall of IW-at the close
of the st! Ike or IS'IT. Q. Were those In
Hie illtili-ts which nie organized, or
weie thev general? A, Thev wete In the
dlstili-ls wheie we ale oigunUed. Q. You
do not speak about Hie Industry geueial
lv or do you? A. A'ery geneiallv. bo
cause we are organised lu the ludlistiy
Q. I notice that you staled lu Colllei's
Weekly that the Camillas of the .-inlhisi-
clto woikeis aie less thn'ii those ot any
other clasM or working men In tho
I'nited Ktntes. Now. upon what compari
son do yon base that statement? A. Re
ference to the income of different elates
of worklngmen, from the scales of wages
made by their oigaulzatlons, and the
scalts proviilllug in the communities. Q.
Antl do jou intend to product) those daln?
A. A'es, sh.
$1.01 Per Work Dny.
'. AVhnl are Ihe wages of the antlua-
cIip woiktrs with which jou make the
comparison? Will you slate them? A.
The wages ot the anthracite mine woik
eis. using m: liners published state
ments as a basis, aie a little less than
"Sl.Ol ror eaeh day In the jear. lie saj-s
ihnt the Income of Ids employes that liis.
emplov es lecelvo $1.80 a day ror each
work day, and I us-etl his statement In
mv calculations. Q. That is. you apply
his statements to the whole region? A.
A'es. sir. Q. And then do you divide tho
Intnl amount em nod bv tho total num
ber 01 eiuplojes.' A. T simply took his
statement of wages- and applied It to all
the men. I assumed that II wa a fair
average a fair ci net lou as to' what
they were earning In all the other com
panies' mines. I believe that to be- true,
becauj-e that conipanv .prtvs as high a
rate of wages as paid by other eom
panlis. Q. Do you know that? A. T
know by comparison of Hie tables of
earnings that the Heading enmpanv's
wages un- up to the average, q. As i
i.v again, when von get nt this matter,
do j-ou make the total number of men
employed, III expect ive- of whether thev
worked evety day. or whether, as one of
Hip mmbers of the Industrial commis
sion suggested to j-ou, some of them
have ilh-d. or what" A. AVell. T sav t lift t
1 simply took the stntemenl of Air. Rier
yes, ceilnlnl.v. I divided If among tho
Sfi", dajs in the year. Q. And jou legale!
the- yeailv earnings as the proper eilter
lon? A. Certainly. Q. And not the dallv
earnings? A. Oitnlnlv I regaid the an
nual earning" of a man as the onlv fair
basis, as he has to cat :Xi days In the
Q. Now. let me ask ou, In lefcrenee lo
loin demands, what they amount lo.
The fli. st demand is ror a horizontal ad
vance on nil contract woik. an advance
or twentv per cent., as r understand It.
Ii respective of present earnings? A. A'es,
sir. Q. And Hie second Is for an Increase,
In the case of all day work, of twenty
per cent.. It respective of piesent earn
ings" A. Yes. sir. Q. Now. the thiid Is
weighing nnd paying fm coal bv Hie ton
of LM'I'l pounds, at a minimum' of sluv
e---nts per ton. That 1 It. Isn't It? A-.
A'es. sir. Q. Now, is this Included In the
Inst demand, oi Is it meielv a dlffeient
method of deinand. The twenty per cent,
would be ndded lo tho piesent 'pi ices, un
der the piesent methods, and the meth
ods would be changed, nnd the 1 eduction
nittcie to tlie sixty cents as a minimum
puce per ton. Q. Then It Is not 11 de
mand (hat tlm contract woik shall bo
ruithnr Increased and tho miners shall
bo paid nt the into which von sugge-i,
not for merehantabln coal, but the sub
stance whh h they send out of the mines,
A. The demand Is for sixty cents a ion
for inn of mine coal, r pie.sumo tliat
everybody Is larnlllnr
Run of Mine Conl.
Q When you snv "um of mine coal"
you mean coal beioro It is cleared of lis
Impuiltlos hj being ,,ut thioiiRh iho
bie.iker.s? A, ll l befoio It p.isics
through the hieaker, Q, lietnio It
passes tluough the lueakor? A. A'es, sir.
Q. Then would not that really mean a
oemann lor a very considerable addition
to Iho amount payable for conlruct woik
over and above tho twenty per cent. A.
1 mil not nwaio.that It would, although
I have not I will say thut the matter
has been verv carefully calculfited by tho
anthracite mlno workeis themselves, and
I am not eiitlielv sure as in what the
illffHienc.1 would be; but on what lufoi
niittloii r hid. I presume that sixty cents
a ton win not a high pi leu to pay the
minors for mining nnthiacim coal, it is
the same, prlco Hint is paid for mining
bituminous 111.1l. Q. A'ou n-ganl It really,
Iheiefmi', "is a hi.iuoh ot Hie flint ill-,
iiiiind. A. It Is. (J. Not as 11 demand for
Hom-'thlnB In addition? A. T do not up
del. stand Hint It Is asking for moie than
1111 Inciensn nf twenty per cent. Q. AVell.
Flippoyn It should till 11 out Hint It weio
In that oMutit, you would bo lutllued In
withdraw II l Hint the Idea? A That
depends entliely on how your caloula
lions wcio inude, If Hie coinpilllles have
diirinir leoent yeais foiced men lo put on
more topping, and have luei eased tho
size of Hif-lr car aiblitaiily, of couiso
the lueiease lu (he wages of (ho mlneis
should pot he calculated upon the basis
of (ho additional coal they have been
loniptlled o load Their hit reuse ought
to Ie twenty per cent upon the wages
paid for thu established ton mid Hie
tinudnid cai not the car (hut bus hem
lutrpdiui'd (he pusl few yeais.
Q That Ktiinil-uil. you think, ought o
be 1 e.id lusted, so as tej hilng II to twen
Ij.twii bundled nnd foity pounds. A, T
think that wlintever was the Htundaid
i.'ir, Hie stniidanl weight, should bo used
as u basis of Hio advance In wages, (.
Now, 01111 of your nigumeuts which you
tnu In your demands Is Hint when Hid
companies laid nnd sell coal, or lather,
win u lliny ship nnd sell coal, they ship It
by a ton of tweiityrtwo bundled mul
roily pounds. Q. Well, that Is nier
chuutablo coal. U It not? A. A'es, sir.
Q. That Is coal which lias gone tluough
A. It Is t o.ilgt sonic of It coming fiom
Uie wnsherle.seol hf Nil diameters. Q,
I am referilin? it'fiesh mined conl now?
A. Yt!. CJ. Tlutt Is what jour ilemnnd
refers tis-i'tesli mined conl, Is ll not? A.
Not iieeess.itlij', If Ihnt coal Is marketed
Hint goes to tho culm piles, the miners
should be pahl for II, He should ho pnld
for nny putt of the coal Hint (he com
tJ, If 11 miiii mines coal nnd sends out n
unr of coal thnl has in be put tlllougli
Hip lirpsiker lu older to produce mor.
I'luilitiible coal, does It not? A. A'ej, sir.
Q And thereinto tho Ion which Hip torn
pniiies s,. and ship Is nieiclmnlable coal,
while tho sulistunce which Hip miner
ueiiilf out ooiilulus a lingo nmoiint or I111.
puiltles, or a consldoinble amount of Im
purities, and tlipicitne It has lo lie put
tlinnigh ihe bteiikei? A. A'pj, sir. Q, So
llinl they lire really two different sub
Miuicts, me they not? A. Yin, It Is (uie
thut Iho foreign substance thnl Is sent
out with the miners' conl should not he
paid for. We do not nsk thai, and wo
ploposo to reeluoe the geneuil price of
mining so us to compensate the company
lot- ll. Hut Hip coal that Is sent tn the
culm piles, and thai Is itrterwanls lnnr
keted tluough tho ptooesi of washing,
tho miner should be compensated for
that. (J. Is thete nny sent in the culm
piles now? A. I tmdpistand Hieie Is. y.
To nn.v extent? A. I an) not sure to
what cMenl. 0. To a very small extent,
Is It not A. T do not know,
Q. AVell, have s oil comnuled the ip.
suit c.f Hiesy demands wilh lereieiico lo
the opeuitloii oi anv partloiilar colliery?
A, I'etsonall.v, I have not, Our cuuunil
tees fiom this tlMllct or the illstilet
where we hope to have ll applied, nnd
Wheie we believe ll Is prnotloiible, have
made oaleillnllons, mul ot com so w be
able lo explain that better than r can
myself, fj. Will, the tesiilt of the twen
tj per cent demand would be, of oouisc,
nn audition of twenty per cent, lo iho
wage cosi, Hie labor cost of the toal,
vvoiilil ll not? A. A'es, sir.
t,' Do ou know that the wages that
1111 pain now 111 nie legion nolo ate
about siy million dollars? A, r have
sis n Hint statement m.iiie. Q, Do not
von. or your enmmlttee, know ft? A.
No. sir; we do not. I. If It Is sixty mil
lion doll.'ii' this Is a demand or twelve
million dollars to lie added lo the tost
or pn.ductlon, is It not? A. A'es, sir. on
I lut calculation, that Is tine. That
would be about twelve tn Hill teen cents n
Ion. Q. You stiy .von will fumlsli to the
commission nnd lo u, it statement of
these demand, walked out with refer
ent 0 to .some of the eollletles? A. AVe
plnpose to nsk Air. Nicllolls It, testirv
I'P-ni Hint viy phase of it, as he Is
Hinioughlv familiar with the subject,
mid he would piobablv be able to ex
plain It much better than 1 can mvselr.
Q. Now. jou spoke of the aveinge pity
per i'ii j upon which you are basing j-mir
tf-llmonv and your views as Ji.fii. A. No;
I slmplj said that on a calculation, tak
ing the st itemeiit. made by Mr. H tpr, It
iimoiiuteil In $1.01 a day lor 'iii.'i dajs In
the jear. Q. It Is upon that jou ate
b.islng your . A. (Inteirupting.) Not
by nnv means. T do not know whether
thai Is collect or not. it may not be as
high us that, or it m.iv be mote. I have
oMimlned tho earnings of the authiaoile
mine woikeis all classes or them and
llnd they aie Insufficient. Q. To what
point do you espect lo bilng Ihem up. If
Ihese demands aie granted? A. At what
molo than Iho nvetnge quantity, what
would he your position ns to llml? A. Wu
do not lis the amount of woik nny person
shall do-thnl Is, within a glyon number
of Iioiiis, We have no le.sti lotions or Hiu
Itntloim upoh the amount of woik a mill)
shall pcifoim, although In nil coal mines,
Hip man's labor Is legiilated very hugely
by the tllsltlbutloti of cms, which Is with
in tho hands of Iho company, wheie tliey
iisunlly lvo each mull or srt of men Iho
sauio number of cms.
Q. AVell, this pnper legnnllug (he llnflp.
ton convention of August :', IO00. which I
showed to you, slvlng their icsolutloii,
ptovlded that no miner shall Imvo at any
time moio Hunt one bieust, gangway or
worklngplnce. and shall not gel moie
Hum nu equal share of cms lo wmk? A.
About Extra Work.
IJ. Now, suppose thnl a miner weie ulito
to woik 111010 than one In east or gangway
In his eight or tPii horns, as the case
might bp, you would bo opposed to thai,
would you not? A, Yes. sir,
CJ. And It one man could do moie woik
Hitin another, by rensnn of greater In
dnstij'. or gicater cnpaelt.v, you would be
opposed to thai, would you not? A. I
should say that It would bo tipepsaiy lo
explain the scale ou aie leading, and
give 1111 exact nnd clear iiiuleistnntllng as
to what It meant The lpsithitlnn was
simply Intended lo pi event some men who
weie tnoiu fnvciod than titheis by the
companies fiom getting nil the coal they
ooiild load mid emplo.vlng oxtia labor 10
do It for them, while some other mini not
so fortunate would leinnln in the mines
all dny without getting his ahalo of coal.
Q. f do not think you have nnsvvoied
my question exactlv ? A. I should be op
posed lo It; jes; for the leasons t have
Q. Suppose It was mil n matter t
fiivoiltlsm, Suppose these leasons did not
exist; you would be opposed to one inln-r
getting the chance lo do moie woik than
auothei? A. I should bo opoosed lo Ills
gelling the chance to do moie work (hah
another If It weie tailing part of the woik
tioni the other man. 1 should not oppose,
mid t do not oppose a man''- perfoimlng
nil tho work lie can, expending all tho
eneigy be pleases, within a ceitnln mini
her or bonis. AVe do believe, however, In
eguliitliig his woik bv llxlng the bonis
Q. A'es, but suppose that by leasou ot
his physical capacity ho Is able to pel riri
a gie.-ilpr amount of woik Hum another
man. to load moie c.us, this resolution
would seem to be opposed lo that? A. t
should think not. If he weie stiong nnd
able lo load moie cms than another with
in a given number or bonis, he would
be penult ted (o do so. The lesoliillou
pi events somebody else from loading them
for him. That Is to av, It would pre
vent him fiom lililng seveial laboieis, It
he wanted to, and cuivlng on his con
duct woik ns lapidlj' as he could.
A. It would movent him from Idling a
l.UBe number of laboieis to work foi him.
Q. Yes, although he Is a conliact work
A. A'es, sir.
Judge Gray Inquires.
the iirncllcHblllly of It; In fact, t sup
pose It would bp Imprnctlcnble. J. You
suppose it would bo'lntprnellenblr? A.
Olherwhe. ll would linVe been ilono
some 1 1 inn iigo. t, Thai Is jou only ten
son for jour illlswei, Is It? A, Well, I
do not know anything iibnut It.
A Twenty Per Cent. Increase.
Q. To what point do j-ou expect to
bilng thorn up? A. We ask (o have them
I'louphl up twenty per cent. Q. If Iho
wages average onlv Tl 01 now, do you
mean that $121 would sttlkc jou as
pioper? A. I do not think that the
miners have asked for enough. 1 sup
pose ll they had known that the matter
was going to be submitted to a board of
nibilratlon. (hey would have asked to
huo the wages fixed up light when they
nio doing it, (Laughter.)
Q. AVell. I suppose that we will nil
agiee that that would have bei-u llkelv.
tt aughto!.) Hut j-ou testified, and you
put out these statements, that the avei
ngo rut.iiiigs are $1.01 pi r day. and jou
i-ay theie I', a. demand for 11 twenty per
tent, lucre ise. Now, 1 want to know up
to what lolnt you expect lo bilng tho
wages In 01 tier 10 make them what
would be considered sufficient? A. A'ou
must letnember that I took Mr. Unci's
statement; quotFil It. and then n11.1l zed
It Q. A'es. A. That It 'Is his statement
that 1 inn floating with in my aitieles;
Hint T simply an ilvzed the statement
given out bv the pic-sident of tlm I'hlln
delphln and Heading Coal nnd lion 00m
p.in.v, nnd nu.il.vzed It. It amounts to
$1.01 per day, at ::i" days In tlie year, so
that the average Iniorac of the mlneis Is
!h mul that Is Iiisulnoieut.
Q. A'our computation includes Sundajs
also, does it not? A. A'ts, .sir; 1 explained
tlint. My smlement Itself K fully ex
plaiiatni y of all tliat.
CJ. The ;!i'm days Include Sundajs, of
coiiisp. (I-auglitoi). And holidaj-s. fl.augli
fei.) Now, how much do you think that
Ihe aveiage pay ought to come up to? A.
I think It ought lo come up to $t,oo n year
lor each adult employed in the anthia
citc mines. I think tint eve.'j hoy under
sixteen j-eais of age ought to liavn not
less than $1 a day lor eight hours woik
Q. And 3'i'i days?
A. No, sli, Kor e.ieh day that the mine
woiks, the hoy .should tetelve, for eight
bonis' woik, not less thnn tl a daj ; that
Is, hoys under slxti on joins of age your
bleaker bojs, I mtan.
Q. Do you think that all day -laboieis
ought to have Jilau a yeai ?
A. I think that all heads of families
ought to have $1.00 a year.
Q, A'ou make n distinction between
heads of tiimillcs and those who .tie not
A. I would ask that fm nil adult opi
plojts. CJ, All the laboieis of evciy kind, you
think ought to have JiiOO a eai ?
A. 1 think that should be Hie minimum
wago of nil men vv 01 king
CJ. Now you have youi Ideas as lo Mr
Hier'8 statement not being high enough,
or low enough, or whatever it Is?
Slnte Picker's Wages.
A. I do not know about It. The .stale-
roeut Ithell' is susceptible of sovelnl Inler-
pi editions. Tor Inslancc, Mr, Hac-r sa.vs
that tho lowest wage paid ir boy sla'tu
picket tt, ot S3 tenth a day. That would
appear tn bo an Inooiicct statement, al
though 1 have no doubt that Mr. liner
inn explain It satlsfnetoilly, AVe know
that they do not pay S.A cents .1 day lor
boy slate plckeis, Wn do know that soma
boys receive that. Inn thev lecelvo much
less than that ;iso.
I). Then jou think the aveiage Is less
than $1 id a d. '.'
A. I elo not know
1. AVell, if the wages a in $.;i,s, don t
ou think join st.ilcinent that the aver
uge wnges were less than $.'u) wns not ,i.
together couecl? A. .My flint public slnte.
incut was inado upon inltu million fitun
other sonic es, It was not upon Air.
Unci's statement. In my Hist statement 1
had mndo that calculation by dUHllnu-
whfit I undeistood to bo Hio total amount
pnld In wjges-l loiget now Ju.st liovv
iniieh It vv..s, but it was something like
$l"i,u(K),0tiO. 1 1I11 not know whether that
was it 01 1101 cj, lou make a cnuip.ui
sou between (ho wnges In the autluacltu
field and Iho bituminous fit id 01 k'kIou.i.
Vou say (lint tho wngc.s nro to to to ii'tr
cent hlub'-l lu the bituminous legions?
A. Yes, sir Q, AVI1.1t bltmulunim do on
lefer lo? A- I I'-ler to tho bituminous
legions uf i'u'iuiyv-un!.i, Ohio, Indiana,
Iowa, Illinois, Kansas, Ml.-omi, Aikan
sas Indian Tclliloiy, Michigan
Q Does not jour oiganUullun lu somu
espects icblilcl the quuiillty of woik?
A. No, sir On tho conttiiiy, our 01 gun.
Iz.ntlon bus iiii-i eased Hie Intensity of
woik (J. I mean the woik of each ludl
vini.tl? A. No, sli. CJ. Suppose a man
should dosha to Impiove his (iicuiu
stunocs by woikiug additional horns fur
exlia pay. by producing more than Hio
average In a given time, what would be
our vluvv as to that.' A We legitime
the hums of labor by ni'iccnieul. u.
A'ou would not allow men tc wmk nv.-i
bonis? A. We would pot allow- them lo
violate the agieenicnt.
O. Hut suduoso he wanted to pioduce
The Chnliman: Does that menu thnf If
I can In eight horns blast out and thiovv
down enough 10.1l to load ten oars, nnd
you can blast out and Hn own down only
enough to load one car in the same time,
that I shall not be permitted to do It?
Mr. Mitchell: No, It doei not mean
that. It would not place nn.v restriction
upon the amount of work ou would do
utidei those conditions in ten boms nt
ail. Tt would simplv piovide that vou
would do It In ten bonis.
The '""lialrnian: Kxactlv. If t bad
masted out anil tluew down enough coal
to emplov two, II means that I should
rot be allowed to employ the thiid
Air .Mitchell! A'es. that .vou should not
be allowed to employ the thiid l.iborei.
because they could not load vour eo.il in
one plaee; when they do that it would
be neecssaiy for you to have mote than
one breast, and neces.'.ullv you could
not oomplv with the law of Pennsylvania
In looking out for the safety of your
laboieis. A'ou can only take cme ol the
srlety of jour laborer, and eoniplv wllh
the law by being with him and winking
Hy Mr. AYIlleox: Q. Do j-ou know It Is
Hie fact that tlie mlneis do not stay in
where the coal Is being loaded? A. They
do go out somewhat cniller in the even
ing nf times. Q. Do you know enough
about It practically lo know that they
almost always do. and leave the laboieis
to load the coal after they aie gone? A.
1 do not know that that is always true.
The loot of the matter Is. a verv Ijmtp
rumher of nnthiaolln mlneis work pait
iiiis dn(lt voluntaiilj- and they do not
have the lonttaet and labor hvslem that
is very largely followed In this legion
light licie In oilier places, the coutiait
miner goes Into the mlno earlier in the
morning than the labour, and leaves him
at iilghl, after ho has Hied nil of his
shots, proteotlug his place bv piops and
eveiylhlm? like (hat that Is necessar.v.
(J. Ho dnes not -wait to look out for
his htboiei's nfety, does he? A. lie has
alieady done It by leaving the place se
em c befoie he goes homo.
Q. I thought you stated the law of
Pennsylvania lequlied him to stay then
to look out for Hie laboiei's safely, while
ho was loading tlie coal A'ou may wllh
diaw Hint statement If you do not mean
It, of course. A, 1 do not wish to wltli
diaw It, but 1 wish lo leiloiate It. I
spoke of u man lu the llit instance who
was winking moie than one hi east, and
i.eccsi.ailly If he weio loading coal nnd
had seveial dlffeient laborers woiklug,
he must bo blasting coal during the day,
nnd ho could not piotect his laboieis. "l
nus It lllllll-lll tiling mini HIS Sllljlllg in
tlieio until nfter inditing time in" night,
setting ail his ptops and ptoieetlng his
place, and then going home. Those
would be enllielj dlffeient conditions.
Has Worked in Mines.
Q, How do jou know he could not pin.
tect his lnboreis? A'ou have not woiked
In Iho mines, have you? A. A'es, sir, Q.
In antluucito mines? ,, Sa, sir, Q,
That Is meiel.v jour uignmenl? A. 1 am
speaking Horn ui geueial Inloimutlon on
Commissioner Wutkim: AVould your
organlziitkiii pennit .1 miner lo engiigo
tllieo l.iboiers If ho 1011I1I employ Ihem
with safety and load ten pais, r.ij ?
Mr. Mitchell; No. Tho mgmilz.iilon Is
opposed 10 mlneis employing moru thnn
0110 laboior. The aiilhiaclte mlneis find
Hint the other system liitioduced in this
field has done thorn 11 groat deal of
hai in. 1 might say thut this matter i
entirely local to Ihe uiilhraolie Held, nnd
legulated by thu iiiilhraelio mine woikeis
themselves, It Is no well defined polle.v
ol Hie I'ulted Mine Woikeis of America
It Is simply a legiihitlon thut tho mlneis
of tho niitliiaclto field find Is netcssui
to pioteet themselves ugulnst fnvoiltl.m,
nnd ngnlnsl the one man going out nml
hiring a lot of laboieis mid bilnglng
them in and having tliem woik lor lilm
he being unable to piotu-t ( lion pmppily
jnuliii-t the tlaugeis or mining,
Ily Mi. Wlllcov,: CJ I think this tines.
Hon find answer befoie Hie Indusiiial
commission peihaps c-xpiesscw our a til
tilde on that sublet 1. It Is on pugo H uf
volume 12. I lend It fsierda,v: CJ. Do
you think It Is hoggish ur a man lo
want 10 gel along lu the wnild? A. If
ho does it at Iho t-xptiiso uf somebody
else. Woi king long Iioiiis on Ihe pail of
one mini ncccs.ailly means that somo
other imn may havo to woik long
Iioiiis," A'ou icpiemher that? A. I n
call Hint, That, lu iiftn-l, exprisses m
cj, What would oii think uf dlscoii.
tinning coutiat-t woik nml the opeuilois
Idling nil thu men by (he day? A, I Jin
not able to answer vvhal thu effect would
be in this Held. (J. A'ou havu not ion
sideied that question. A. I havo not, Q,
Jt would do awaj with all qiiesilous of
docking and weighing would It 1101? a,
AVH. (hut would follow, 1 plenum?, tj.
Then, It II would ciifoicc elllclency among
ihem It would be exti finely simple, be.
cause the fi lotion (hut 1 ipi-uk of would
dlsappeui ? A. I elo not know enough
nbout how piucllcablo It would bo lu the
CJ. Supposo that weio done, what would Mr. M.K-Veugh.CuvuIng the illstilet In
you toiif-UU-r pioper day wages for .1 which these two c-ollleilcs 1110 locutnl?
miner? A. I do not know enoutli about .Mr. Danovv: A'es.
The Bight to Hhc.
Heading fuini tho working iigiceinciit
helweoii tlie IIIIiidIh (.'mil Opernlois' ns
socliHluii mid the Pulled Mine AVork
eis, Mr. Wlllcox sought In show thut
the light of the employer to hire mul
illschnigu vviiH stirioiiiulctl with such
llinltiitloiis Imposed hy the union that
the light v,vus in-uulloully uiiIIIIIimI.
After leieiilng to Mr. Mllfhell's ilct'
liirntluit Hint (he bllmiiliiotiB opctutors
generally vveiu well sullslloil with their
i-oiili-iiut niriingciiiciitH with the United
Mine Workeis, Mr. Wlllcox reitil fi 11111
nn liilervlevv with the Illinois Coal
Operutors'-commissioner, llciimm .lusil,
III which he declnieil the coniinlsslou
hail refused to ucceile to the ietiiest ot
the mine vvoikei.i to give testimony, hy
menus nr wiltteu atiHwers lo qliesHoiis
liropouiuleil by the union legal ding
llielr views of tlie mine, woikeis' union
In thai stale. Mr. Wlllcox also 1111-
iiounceil that nieiilbeis ot the Illinois
association would he hero (o (estlfy to
the contrary fiom (lint which the union
would Imvo them slate.
Hy Mr. Willi ox:
IJ. Vou havo testlfltd In login d to tho
number of accidents ocotiiilug lu the
mine. Do you know what piopottluu or
those accidents has been duo lo uegllgenoo
on Hie pait of tho tinfoi lunate people
silffeilng them? A. I do not know that
nny of them wen, y. Do you not know
Hint Hie mine Inspeelots' 1 epulis spetiry
11 Bic-at m.inv of them as having boon
caused by negligence of tho parties who
.sulfeted Hie accidents? A. I do not know
flint that Is true; I havo not been able
lo see that In the Inspeclois' lepoils.
IJ. You testified that you tllstilbuted
ubout a million mid a half d.ill.us of te
ller? A. Yes, sir.
Q. Do sou know that when tho mines
nio 1 mining the wages are ovei a million
tlollais a week?
A. Well, 1 do not know (hat, Posslblj-
Q. A'ou understand It. don't ou. like a
good many other things vou have testi
fied to you have henul It?
A. A'es, nil, I have he.iul that state
ment. Q. Ciiu ou give the mimes of nny non
union men who wete relieved? A. I can
not give jou their names myself, but I
piesumo our illstilet ofllters can supply
Q. Now jou testified (hut no stilke was
ever called on account of 1efus.1l to
woik with non-union men; jnu mean no
geueial stilke. I suppose? A. I do not
know of sliikes being called at all by the
organization for 'refusal to work with
nem-unlon men. Q. Hut you know ot
stilkes having taken place dp that pie
clse ground, don't ou? A. I have heanl
that stilkes have taken place of (hat
rhaiacter. Q. Do ; oil know ol' tho stiiko
at the Maltby mines? A. Yes, sir, I have
ho.it tl of It. Q. AVas not that for that
1 0.1 son? A. That among oilier reasons,
1 nuclei stand. Q. And that lasteij twelve
months? A. A'es, sir. '
Wouldn't Express Opinion,
lu 1 espouse to a question as to his
position i-egnrding nieiiiheis ot labor
unions being menibei.s of tho National
gikud, Mr. Mitchell declined lo say
whether or not he sympathized with
v.nlotis resolutions that were passed by
labor unions calling on union men to
r?fiain fiom Joining the guard, saying
ho would not want to criticize resolu
tions without knowing their exact lan
guuge. On the general piopositlon, he
said, he believed members of labor
unions should e.xeiclse the same lights
and privileges as every one else In that
AVIth this, Mr. AVillcox concluded his
examination, and the witness was
turned over to Hon. AVuyno MnoVeagli,
or counsel for the Pennsylvania Coal
company and Hie Hillside Coal and
Tron company. While this cioss-exain-Inatlon
pioceetled, K. B. Thomas, chair
man of the Urle bo.uel of dliectors, and
W. A. JIuy, general manager of the
Krle's coal depai tment, sat near at
hand. J. C. Biownell, or New A'ork,
nnd Major Everett W.uren, of Set .111
ton, who nie nlso counsel for the Penn
sylvania, and Hillside companies, fie
quently sugge.s(ed questions that Mr.
MucA'eagh should nut to the witness.
The cioss-exaiiiinutlon continued dur
ing the last twenty minutes of tho
morning session and all the afternoon.
It will he resinned this 11101 nlng.
Hy Ml. MaoVeagh: Q. Mr. Mitchell, I
assume you heard the statement made to
Hie commission that Ma lor Wan en, Mr.
lliownell and 1 lepiesent the Ponnsyhn
nla Coal company and the Hillside Coal
and lion 1 oinpanj ?
A. A'es. Mi.
Q. Now. it Is with leleienee to those
two companies Hmt 1 piutloulaily wish
to cioss.M,,mine you; mul in 01 dor that
thete shall be no nilsundei,tanding l
iwei 11 you and me,' 1 do not want j-ou to
Imusluu lor a moment that 1 am opposed
lu the pioper oigaulz.utluli of w 01 king
nun lor tlie advancement of their toiidl-
(lon and the pioleellou of their inteirsls,
especially when employes of a consider
able coipoi.itlon. 1 not only 111 inly be
lieve in Hi'-lr light, but 1 think in veiy
manv instances ii s their Intel est: and
I do not want jou to suppose for a
moment that the gentlemen whom l iep
icsent think they aie Infallible, or that
thej have managed these two pioperlles
lu Ihe best possible maimer. They am
unite awme that tliey may have been
guilty of driellclloii.s ot duly towuid the
people hi Hull- employ, and, if so, they
believe ou wish lo assist the commission
In to .milug Hit- until about those dere
lictions, so Hint the coinniisiioti call
itneh Just lonelusloiis. Now, what I
wish you to do Is to state In vour own
wny and order to the commission wheie
111 ou think the ovvneis of iho Pennsyl
vania, Coal toinp.iny nnd the lllllslilo
Coul and lion company have (tilled Ju
their duties to their i!inploes.
Not Familiar with Conditions.
A Wh.v, I am not familiar, of lour.e,
with the local conditions under each sop
male company. 1 think thnl tlm Hillside
company and the other company topic-
senled or owned by Iho Pennsylvania
Coal lompanj have been In nbout thu
same position ilia l ollie-r 1 oiupanles have;
thai liny have failed lo pay wages sulll
cleully high; Hull they have failed to es
tabllsli conditions of employment that
weio fair; that they Imvo a wioug ss
lem of me.isiiiiug tho ciiiutngs of Hio
mlneis, and tliat their opposition to hn
tie almoin of Iho men, as organized
mill, has not been for Hie best,
lj. If you had not peisonal knowledge
snlllclent to enable ou lo tormulnin
these demand for changes n our lclu
tluus to uui employes, who did foiinil
I llo l lie 111 '
A. Tin icpiesenlnlhes uf ihe alioll!
Mini cemipnuii s, among tliem inpieseiila
lives fiom the mines opel.lleil b this
ij. Who weie they, as to the two coiil
panlot. we rcpiesent?
A. I am nut fuiullliir with Huh' names.
IJ Ainbody limy answer ihe question
Ml'. NleholU will piobably be able lo,
or In may have lepicsenteil them lilm.
I1-Mi NI1I10IH, who Is Hie illstilet
pieslih-ut In this paillciihu section,
i, ilr. M'icliell, I wish ou would fully
assuie uie thai If 1 ask you any question
which can b better answered by some
body else, oii will piomptly appeal to
him for un tinswer. .My only object Is to
get at tho fuels for the commission.
Mr. D.urow: Mr. NleholU and Mr. Col.
Unit had special ehaige .
.Mi, MaoVeagh: (if making theso de.
Mr. Dai row: As. as the delegates
Witness! It will help matter vetj
milch, posdblyi lf I PXplahv-.how tfiej
tt.nke IhoMo-soHhV Wo unviC r tlelegkli
conveiitloil, Hi' which rdpieeitilaUei st.
lend fuini every local union, whtcl
nipiins evetv mine, Tliey then select- n
si ale coiumlltee, who nte to formulate
Ihe ilemmuls, llaeli delpRiite can nphenr
before that commlltrc nnd loll litem flx
aoliv what hi- thinks would he ,heces.iry
nt Hip mine In; lepicselits, so that (he
connnlllee have liifotmiitloii direct fiom
the ciiiplovcM of (he comprfuy.
After considerable questioning Mr,
MiiuVeiigh sticccedoil 1 getting .Mr,
.Mitchell to iiilnilt he did not know,
Just then, whnt wnges tho Erie coin
mny paid Its employees,
The Fhst Demand,
IJ. Now, I say, 11s to the til nt demand,
ns lo Ihe lueiease nt wages, whatever you
may bo propaiod to do tills afternoon, you
nie not pi opined lo ask for 1111 lucieaso
of those wages, because you do not know
what Iho piesent wages ate?
A A'es, sir, I tun peifeclly prcpiucd to
ask for an lucieaso lu wages, although I
have not got the tables ot Hie pieycnt
eainlugs hole, ll.aiighler),
CJ. Well, I quite ndmlt ou can be pre
paietl to nsk for them, hut are you pie
paied smlously lo nsk other lesponslble
gentlemen to giant them?
A, Well, 1 can onlv say that I have not
the statistics here to submit at this time.
fj. Antl thoiefole at present you nte not
pi opal ed to substantiate that demand?
A. 1 do not K-ny that I am not piepaie-d,
except that I am not piepaied lo state tho
flgiucs us to the Hillside and Pcnnsjl
vnnln Coal companies,
Q. Ami therefore at piesent you aie not
ptopfiied lo substantiate your demand?
A. Well, 1 should saj' simply that 1 am
not piepaied to submit the evidence to
substantiate it, Hint Is nil.
The remainder of the morning ses
sion was taken up lu an examination
nf the witness leguidlug his claims that
mining conditions me substantially
.similar lu the uilthraelte and bitum
inous regions. Mr. Mitchell admitted
that the demand for bituminous is
giovvlng moie rapidly than that for nu
(luaolte, hut denied that bltiuninoun
mines woiked more steadily thnn an-thiac-lte
At the opening of the afternoon ses
sion, Mr. Mitchell made (he following
correction to his testimony of the morn
ing, regai ding the disposition of the
resolutions ot the Shnmokln conven
tion: Tho AVIlness: "Moved the four resolu
tions calling stilkes at different colllerlm
on Apill 1st bo teferrcd (o (he threp dls
tilct executive bonnls. Motion cairied."
These were tho resolutions which hart
been fotmally adopted, authoilzlhg
By Mr. McVeigh:
Q. Befoie I leave that question ot the
bituminous maikot and the anthracite
mai hot, I would like to ask whether you
aie awaio of tho fact that substantially
theio Is 110 maiket for anthracite coal for
luaiiufaotuilng pin poses except the iefu.se
sizes, and Hint the whole mnikcl, tho ex
clusive market for anthracite coal of a.
piolltable kind Is for domestic purposes,
or hugely so? A. I tindei stand from tho
statements ot Mr. Baer that 40 per cent,
of the coal Is sold for steam and manu
Q: And that, uu know. Is, as he has
stated, of the sizes below the- domestic
sizes? A. He so stated; yes-, sir.
Comparison of Wages.
CJ. A'ou assumed to compare the wages
we aiu paying in our two companies with
the wages of bituminous mlneis in this
state. 1 wish you would frfnte to the com
mission what the nveiago earnings per
annum nie of the men employed In a icp-
lesenfatlve bituminous mine In Pennsyl
anin? A. X havu tables prepared and In
couisi! of preparation on that subject;
but they aie not -et completed. I have
heie the wages paid the 'various classes of
woikmen under tho companies operated
by the Krle
Q. Opeiated by what?
A. By the Penns.vlvania and the Hillside
Coal Companies. Q. But you have not th-i
late of wages paid hy any bituminous
mine In Pennsylvania? A. I have not the
tallies with me, because they aie not com
pleted. I know, however, In a genet al
way, the difference In tho wages paid. ' Q.
Then what ilo j-ou say they aie? A. They
aie practically .10 tier cent, greater in
the bituminous fields for the same classes
Q. Then your sixth leasou is: "The an
nual eiuninss ot the mine woikers aie Ir
ani Orient to maintain the Ameilcan stand
aid ot living? A. A'es, sir.
Q. Now, what peicentage of the mlneis
In our two collleiles are Aineikan born?
A. I do not know.
Q. Wli.it percentage of them do jnu
believe wish to maintain whnt we call tho
Aineiloan xtnduid ot living? A. 1 bellevo
all of them do. Q. AVhat Is the basis ot
that belief? ot the workeis at the Hill
side Coal and iiou eompanv, nnd (ho em
plojes of the Pennsylvania Coal com
pany? A. 3 have no special Information
as to anj- diffeience lu the slaiidaid, or
the tloslie for a staudaid of living In those
companies, as compared with the mine
Q. (Ite.ullns) "Seventh. A'ou say tin
Incieased cost ot living has made It Im
possible, to maintain a tulr standaid 01'
living upon the basis of present wages,
ami has not only prevented the mlno
vvoikciH fiom seouilng any benefit fioni
luiie.istil prospeiiiy, but has made their
londlllou pooler 011 account of It." A. A'es,
sir. tj. Did noii foi niulate tliat reason? A.
Ves, sir. IJ. That was afler jou had se
emed an adv. 1 nee of lo per Cent, In JPOn?
A. Yes, sir.
Fair Standard of Living-.
CJ And now what would ou define lo
be a far siaudiud of living for the woik
men cmplo.ved about llifsn two collleiles'.'
A. 1 should say that an Ineomo of sl:
hundred dollat.s n jear would pt-tmlt them
lo live lu n inauuer conformable to Amei
liau slniiilaids. CJ. What do you bellevo
to have been the (.lining capacity of th
10 reign element, who havo mini) to these
inlncH fiom other lands? A. Their earn
ing capacity In their own tommies? f
Ves? A. 1 do not know. Q. Would you
be Hill pi Ned to leaiii that it was less
Hum a bundled dolluis per nullum? A
Well, It N possible that a man on a bun
dled tlollais less would e.uu a bundled
dullaiH less in tho cuuntiy thut he conies
to; it is also Hue Q.Vou mean, a liun.
died tlollais lets, but flint the aveinge
wages for such class of labor ns' these
1 migi.uifs pel foi m in and about Iho'Vnliies
does not net them In Hio touutrv fiom
Willi h they ionic over a hnndicd dallnis a
ear? A No, sit; 1 do not know thai
No Q Tho unthiacltn mine workers.,,ns
I undeisiand, lepiesent lu all, aljont 17,
in) people,? Have jou over o.ilcu.ieU
what peicentage that Is to the wnge carp
els or Atneilta, tho men who aie raining
(hell living b manual labor? AVould jou
be suipilsc-d to hunt Hmt It Is only nbout
S per cent ? A. I du not know that t
would bij parljciiluily miipilsod.- y. Tlien
have you nsivi tallied what piopnillon nt
the penult who have heiutofoio been
maintaining what Hiey leg.tuleil us a fair
standaid of Ameilcan living, whlrh they
Imvo em mil by their tint mini Inhni, have
been earning ill Aineilin per milium',', ,
1 havo never niado anj lmUiiIhiJoji, zsr
y Ho Hint you aiu absolutely Jmoui.
potent to Inl'iii 111 this ioiuml?rdrii-nMiy wo
sliould bo ic-qiillcil lo pay our tunployf
mj u yen, except your sunilm'ulti'J, 'opin
ion Hint a man ought 10 have i'vhfl year,'
y. Now-, as to Iho geueial wago viinoi-s,
do j 011 wish the commission lo niuleiHland
that Hie nvi uige eniiimgs nie ?gi) a jeai,
for Ameiknn hoi 11 iipd American Jned
men. cnJolng Ameil(,ui scheiels, prut
their tumult's enjoying Aiietcmi jeligous
Institution and piileges? A.- No), l have
pot said Hint tho aveiage U u for ull
men who woik for wages. I do not know
what ll Is. I do know that the men who
woik under euctly tho saint condition's,
tn- Niibsiitntlallj tho s.iiuu tondlliiius,
and lu the sauio ludiisliit-s. cam eousiiler
ably 111010 wages than they do m the an
Ihi.iclto fields. ,
CJ. Do they earn I'Juo a ycai ? A, I do
not think tho aveiagu of hj bltiinihiiiiin
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