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All the operators declared that the matter of recognizing the United Mine "Workers of America was not a subject for the consideration of the commission, and several of them. In their formal answers, explicitly stated they were un willing to have the question of the pro priety or necessity of an agreement with the union submitted for investigation or adjudication by the commission. Despite tills, President Mitchell In sisted on injecting it into the hearing; In fact, he made It the most prominent feature of his opening .statement, and In tin; surprise of those not in the coun cils of the companies, the operators, with evident eagerness, picked up the gauntlet and proceeded to give battle where the enemy invited. The Delaware and Hudson company, In Its answer to the miners' statement, was particularly emphatic In excepting to the miners being allowed to inject the question of the advisability of the recognition of the union being consid ered lij" the cdinmfssIo"h, asserting. In' common with the other companies, that the proposition under which the,com inlssion was created and is supposed to work, eliminated this as an Issue. Yet, in the face of this, the vice-president and general counsel of the Dela waie and Hudson company, David "Wil cox, took up the cross-examination of Mr. Mitchell and never by so much as a single query sought to elicit anything except answers bearing on the desira bility of a trade agreement with the "Tniled Mine Workers. For the three hours of the day that remained for cross-examination. At torney Wilcox plied Mr. Mitchell with questions tending to bring out admis sions corroborate of the operators' alle gations against the miners' union. Some of his questions put the witness to his wit's end for .an answer that would not he a downright evasion or palpable equivocation. Attitude of Union. Seemingly contradictory declarations of President Mitchell on the one side and the constitution of the miners' union on the other anent sympathetic strikes; the assertions of the union that it discountenanced lawlessness and the absence of any active, or at all events nggressive, endeavors to prevent it; the inadvlsabillty of the anthracite oper ators dealing with a union which can lie controlled by the miners of the bitu minous region, and various other of the points on which the operators re sist the contention of the miners that the union should be recognized, were made subjects of Mr. Mitchell's cross examination. The miners' leader was several times put in what might be termed tight cor ners, but euch time he squirmed out with more or less success and grace. Ho fought every inch of tiie ground, and seldom made an answer to even the simplest question without exercis ing his prerogative of modifying by ex planation. The instances In which ho contented himself with a "yes" or "no" r"sponso were rare indeed, Ho admitted nothing that was not favorable to his cause and, not infrequently, when some thing of almost universal knowledge was. proposed for discussion, he would, If a discussion was not to his liking, take refuge behind a plea that he, "could not recall," or was "not personally nwuro" of It. Thu cross-examination was a tense, Olid exceedingly Interesting battle be tween two brainy men, and will doubt less long llvo In the memory of those who witnessed It. With the exception of the unexpected turn the Jlrst day's testimony took, the programme was as forecast in Tho Tri bune. There was a brief discussion, at the opening, as. to procedure; then Mr, Mitchell read his opening statement outlining wha the miners' side pro posed to show, mid after that he went on the stand t give general testimony ns to the conditions in the region, tho merits of the grievances whlili the miners want redressed, nnd (.'specially (he recognition of the union as the pr mal panacea for the Ills complained of. He was still on tlte staijd under cross examination when tho commission rose at i o'clock. Court Room Crowded. The court room was Jammed during I he two sessions, and hundreds were un able to gain admittance. The lawyers, company officials, miners' representa tives, and newspaper men filled the bar enclosure. Witnesses and spectators crowded the space outside the enclos ure, a good part of tha onlookers being members of the local bap, who were elven preference by the door-tenders at the behest of the commission. The day passed oft without the sent- wft in Proceedifc-Js of MADE AN ISSUE bianco of an acrimonious exchange. In fact, there was hardly an instance of what might fairly be called an inter ruption of the one side by the other. It was the lntenscness of all the partici pants and the rapt attention of the on lookers that mainly told of the mo mentous war that was being waged. OPENING OF SESSIONS. As early as 9.30 o'clock, there was a crowd massed against, the doors of tho superior court room, anxiously and eagerly bent on getting within to wit ness the opening scene of the epoch making event In the history of the re lations of capital and labor to be eye witnesses of an event to which the at tention of the whole world Is attracted. Orders had been given through As sistant Recorder Mosely to the three police olllecrs and two tipstaves at tho door, to admit only those Identified by him as having business at the hearings. After these for whom places had been reserved within the bar exclusive and the witness seats had been passed through, tho general public was al lowed to enter, the lawyers being given preference. In a few moments the spectators seats and all the available standing room was occupied. There was some coming and going as the morning progressed, but as a general rule those who were fortunate enough to gain entrance held their places till tho recess. Tho arrangement of tables and seats for counsel, parties in interest and newspapermen, was found to be em inently satisfactory. Mr. Mitchell and his attorneys sat at the table on the Washington avenue side of the room. In the center were the attorneys for the big companies. At the easterly side of the room were the attorneys for the Independent operators and non-union men. The newspapermen were accommo dated with seats in the jury box or im mediately adjacent thereto. There were thirty newspapermen present, including representatives of Chicago, New York, Philadelphia, Washington and .Wllkes Barre papers, and the three press asso ciations. Prominent Mine Workers. Sea led near their counsel's table were prominent members of the United Mine Workers. Among them were District Presidents T. D. Nicholls, Thos. Duffy nnd John Fuliy. Miss R. C. Morris, private secretary to President Mitchell; District Vice President Adam P.y- .-cavage, Boii.nl Members Michael Ilea ley, Henry Celling, John Kearney, Stephen Keap. Dr. Woyi, of NewYork; r.ev, Peter Itoberts, of Mahonoy City, and James Marwlek, of New York, who have assisted in the preparation of the miners' case also sat nearby. Among the otllclals of the big com panies seated convenient to their at torney's table were: Vice President K. M. Luomls, general manager of the Delaware, Lackawanna and Western company; Reese A. Phillips, general superintendent of the Delaware, Lack awanna and Western company; A. I. Culver, comptroller of the Delaware and Hudson company; S. U. Tiiorne, general manager of the Temple Iron company; C. C. Ko.se, general superin tendent of the Delaware and Hudson compaiiy; John It. Ilryden, general manager of the Serantou Coal com pany ami Klk Hill Coal and Iron com pany! W. A. May, general manager of the Pennsylvania Coal company, Hill side Coal and Iron company and Now York, Susquehanna and Western com pany. Near the Independent operators' table were ee.itei' "Recorder W. I. Connell, president and general manager of tho Green Ridge Coal company and Knter pilse Coal company; J, L. Crawford, president of the People's Coal coin pany; Dr, J. N. Rice, U. 15. Reynolds, John II, Brooks uud AY. H. Genrhnrt, who are interested In different Individ ual operations, c. ix Simpson, partner of Commis sioner Watklns; Rey, James Mcl.eod, D, IX, pastonof the First Presbyterian church; Mine Inspector 13d ward Rod erick, and W, H. Taylor were a few prominent Scrantimlaus who were given seats within the enclosure. Local Judges Present. President Judge H. M. Edwards and Judge John .P. Kelly sat near the com mlssloners for an hour or so of the morning sesalon at the commissioners' invitation. Judge A. A, Yosburg dropped In for a little while, but sat among the spectators. Rev. J, V, Moy lun, of Holy Rosary church, North Scranton, was also nn onlooker from the ppectalorn' chairs for a few hours. A rhdoyrapher had set up h Urge camera and flash light apparatus In the rear of the room, with the intention of "snapping" tho commissioners before they rose for the noon recess, but tho commissioners did not wait to be "snapped," and tho camera man went awnv. it was 10.03 when the commissioners entered from the consulting room nt the rear. As they appeared, Assistant Recorder Mosely announced, "The An thracite Mit.e Strike Commission!" and everybody stood nnd remained standing uilll the commissioners took their seats. Judge Ciray, president of the commis sion, took the middle seat. On his right, In tho order named were seated Re corder Wright, Mr. Clark and Mr. Wat klns, and on his left, General Wilson, tJis'iop Upa'ding- and Mr. Parker. This Is the same order in which they sat at their first meeting In Washington. Judge Gray opened tho session by simply nnnounclng that tho commission was reassembling pursuant to an ad journment to give the parties oppor tunity to prepare their cases and were now ready to proceed. As had been understood, the miners' side would be heard first.. They might present their case, he said, in their own way. Raised New Issues. Attorney Darrow waa the first of the attorneys to speak. Ho called attention to the fact that some of the answers to the miners' statement raised or sought to raise some new Issues, nnd ns the last of the answers had been received onjy the day before, the miners would like to have an opportunity to make replication next Monday. Judge Gray looked quizzically at the counsel for the other parties and no objections being forthcoming declared that there were no objections to this request and It was granted. Hon. Wayne McVeagh, of counsel for the Krle company, suggested that the names of the parties to the controversy bo called that their respective attor neys might announce their appear ances. Tills suggestion was adopted by tho commissioners and responses were made as follows: For the Miners Clarence S. Darrow, of Chicago; H. V. Lloyd, of Now York; John J. Murphy, of Scranton: James Lenahan, John P. Shea, James ir. Shea, of Wllkes-Tfcirrc. Mr. Darrow also an nounced that John Mitchell would appear generally for the miners' side. Philadelphia and Rending Hon. Simon P. "Wolvcrlon, of Sunbiiry; II. T. New comb, of New York, nnd J. F. Whnlcn. Krlo Companies Hon. Wnynn Mc Vcash, of Philadelphia; George E. Brow ncll, of New York, and Major Kverett Warren. oC Scranton. Delaware. Lackawanna and Western W. W. Ross, of New York, and John R. Wilson, of Scranton. Ontario and Western Companies John U. Kerr, of New York; ex-Justice Alfred Hand and J. K. Burr, of Scranton. Delaware and Hudson David Wilcox, of New York, and James II, Torrcy," of Scranton. Lehigh Valley Coal Company Francis I. Gowan, of Philadelphia, and Wlllard, Warren & Knupp. of Scranton. Lehigh anil Wllkes-Barrc Do Forrest Brothers, of New York, and A. II. Me Cllnlock, of Wllkes-Barre. Independent Operators If. C. Reynolds and f. IT. Burns, of Scrantun. Other attorneys who will come into the case later are George R. Bedford, of Wilkes-Barre, representing Markle and Co.; II. A. Fuller, of Wilkes-Barre, representing the Independent operators. The Non-union Men. John T. Lenahan, of Wilkes-Barre, and Joseph O'Brien, of this city, were present 1n the Interests of the non union men, and when Recorder Wright failed to call the names of their party, Mr. Lenahan arose and stated that him self and Mr. O'Brien represented the non-union men, so called, and would like to know something of the proced ure that they might be prepared to present their clients' case. Judge Gray said: "They are not for mal parties to this controversy, Mr. Lenahan." "Any party appearing here." suggest ed Attorney Darrow, "should file a statement that we may know who are before the commission." Judge Gray asserted that some state ment should be tiled. The commission, he said, would consider the matter. MITCHELL'S STATEMENT. This motion being temporarily dis posed of the miners offered their case by introducing President Mitchell to read his statement. He began at 10.17 and concluded at just U o'clock. Tho state ment was (1,000 words in length. A synopsis of it prepared at tho Mine Workers' headquarters Is given hero: Of the 1 I7,ooo men and boys employed In and around tho mines, stripping, wnsherios and breakers In tho anthracite coal fields, iil.072. or IS per cent, are em ployed on contract, or piece work; tho remaining M.OiKl, or C7 per cent, aro em ployed by tho hour, day, week or month. Of thu 1,072 contract men, :J7,S0I are miners and 2C.2(!S are miners' laborers. Tho work of a contract miner require an unitbually high degree of skill. The work of a miner and a miners' laborer Is extremely hazardous; In fact, It Is more dangerous than employment In any other Important Industry In thei world. The number of persons killed and Injured per duo thousands employed Is greater than In any other Industry, Koch day the an thruclto coal mines are In operation, two and six-tenth persons lose their lives and three times as many are maimed, and yet these men receive less wages an nually than are received by men per forming precisely similar work In other fields under more favorably and less hazardous conditions, Tim number of years a man inn relnln his health and strength In this occupn. Man Is limited, If ho escapes death or injury by fulls ot rock or coal, he can not escape attacks of miners' asthma. There Is scarcely a mlno worker who Iiub not contracted this malady. The miners nro compelled to work lit powder smoke, In foul air, many of them In water, and their work Itself Is ditllcult and very ex hausting. Reputable Insurance com pantos will not Issue policies to this class of workmen the risks are so great tluit the premiums would bo prohibitive to men whoso earnings ure so low. The en tire twenty per cent, which they demand as an increase in their wages would not suffice to carry an lusurancu of one thousands dollars, Reduction of Hours. In supporting the demand for the reduction of the hours of day laborers, Mr. Mitchell showed that It amounted practically to a demand for 20 per cent. Increase of compensation for 83,000 men, or G7 per cent, of all mine em ployes. Continuing, he said: The eight-hour day Is tho standard working day In the mining Industry. Bight hours constitutes a day's work In tho coal mines of Oreul Britain, In all tho silver, gold and copper mines, nnd In the bituminous coal mines In the stntes ot Arkiuwis, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Kentucky, Tennessee, In Western Penn sylvania nnd tho Indian Territory. The reports of tho United States Geo logical Survey demonstrate that more coal hns boon produced annually slnco tho Inauguration of tho elght-huur work day than in any preceding year. Each miner produced mora coal per working day in eight hours than ho formerly pro duced In ten hours, and there is no rea son why tho same results would not ob tain In tho anthracite field. Tho bituminous workers receive, in many instances, from 20 to 10 per cent, higher wages for eight hours' work. A comparison of tho wages paid In skilled workmen In fifty of our largest cities shows, than machinists, carpenters, electricians, engineers and firemen re ceive from 20 to 50 per cent, higher wages than nro paid theso classes of workmen In the anthracite, mines, while the hours of laborer from two to four less In the cities. Defending the third demand, that coal shall be weighed and paid for by weight, and that 2,210 pounds shall constitute a ton, Mr. Mitchell said: Tho present method of measuring the ronl produced by tho miners In tho Lackawanna, Wyoming and Lehigh re gions hns boon the source ot more dis content than any other of tho many in justices Imposed upon the miners, and there can be no contentment among there workers until an honest system has been adopted. Paying for coal by the car or by a ton weighing from 2,710 to 3,100 pounds Is a flagrant Injustice. The cms have been made, lurger, moro topping Is required, nnd there has been no corres ponding lncrcaso in tho amount paid per car or per ton, Tho miners have been forced to produce a constantly increas ing amount of coal, for which they re ceive no additional compensation. Basis of Pay. The miners should bo paid for every pound of coal he mines that is sold by the operator. If 2,240 pounds constitute a ton when coal is sold to tho consumer; If 2,210 pounds constitute a ton when royalties are paid: If 2,240 pounds consti tute a ton when railroad companies nro paid for transporting coal to market, what justice can there be In denying thn minor the right to bo paid for Ills labor upon the imo basis? A largo amount of coal has "been ship tied and sold hi excess of the amount for whlcji the miners are puld: anil, while we are willing to be fair nnd oven generous wo are not willing to mine coal gratuitously. AVe do not believe that the consumers of anthracite coal wish tho miners to produce any portion of It for nothlnrr. The anthracite companies, not satisfied with an extra legal ton of from 2710 to "190 pounds, have a system ot docking, through which they appropriate addi tional part of the minors' earnings. A miner Is docked all tho way from WK) to 1,000 pounds upon a car, ns a penalty for loading Impurities, for which ho has ul rendy been penalized to the extent of from 700 to 900 pounds in excess measure or weight; in othor words, he Is punished twice for tho same offense. A system somewhat similar, but less unjust, ob tained in a portion of tho bituminous coal field many years ago, but the miners are now paid by weight upon the basis of a legal ton: they nro not only permitted, but nro encouraged, by the operators to employ check-weighmen to sco that tho product of their labor U properly weighed and a correct record niado thereof. Mr. Mitchell then took up the fourth demand of the miners for a trade agreement, with the necessary machin ery for the adjustment of local griev ances. He outlined tho history and policy of the United Mine Workers of America, and explained that by Its con stitution the anthracite and bitumin ous mine workers had home rule for the local government of local affnlrs. He said: Responsibility of Union. Tho only manner In which the national organization as such is permitted to in terfere is that, before a strike Is In augurated by the district organization, tho approval of the president of the na tional union must bo obtained; but tho president of tho national organization has no authority to Inaugurate a strike. Thus tho coal mine operators are a (lord ed a greater measure of protection against strikes than they would have un der a separate and Independent organ ization. The United Mlno Workers ot America Is affiliated with the American Federation of Labor; It Is formed upon precisely the same lines and for tho same purposes as other trade unions: It Is numerically the strongest single trado organization in the world. As to tho responsibility of the mine workers' organization, Mr. Mitchell said: At tho present lime, tho United Minn Workers of America has contracts with the operators of fourteen states and dis tricts, fixing tho amount the miners shall receive per ton, tho amount tho various classes of labor shall receive per day, the number of hours which shall consti tute a day's woik, and tho methods uud machinery for the adjustment of local grievances, by Joint conference with tho mlno owners. Theso are mutual con tracts which are advantageous tn both miner and operator, and proteut the pub llo against the cifeets of strikes or lock ontx. The reports of tho United States government upon strikes In the mining Industry show tbnt tho number and dur ation of strikes has been muteiially re duced each year since the system of joint conference ana mutual agreement has been Introduced, Wheni tho United Mine Workers of America Is recognized und contracted Willi, it assumes tho respoii.lblllty of dis ciplining its members, The trado ngree meu hits proved effective In rest raining workmen from engaging lit local or gen eral strikes. There have been no strikes of any magnitude in any of tho coal min ing states In which trado agreements (uthit.' Wo seek to eitabllsh the same method of adjusting wagu differences in the unthraelto fluid. We make this demand because we know that permanent )eaoe und friendly relations can be best maintained through a trade agreement with the organization which our people have elected to Join. Fully ninety per cent, cf tho employes of the anthracite coal mines nru mem burs of It from cholcu; they desire to retain their membership In It, It was tho United Mlno Workers of America thut conferred with the president of the United States In relation to the kUbmls slou of the Issues Involved In the coal strlko to this commission; it was the United Mine Workers ot America that was requested by the president o end tho strike: it was the Putted Mine Workers of America that declared the strike ut an end; It was the United Mine Workers of America that sent thu men back to work, and It is the United. Mine Workers of America that .Is pledged to accept the award of this commission. Failure to recognize the organization was tho cause of many of the local strikes against which operators and mine workers Jointly complain, There luivo been many local ftrlkes during tho past year, tho fault of whlcn pis Is upon the operators and miners nllkc. Thn mhierp, falling to secure redress for their wrongs (tho companies having refused to treat with llielr repicsentatlves) hnd no choice hut to submit to Injustice or tnaligiualc a strike. Recognition of Union. Recognition of the union does not menu dictation or Interference by tnnii not cm ployed by the coiiipnnlo'i; it simply means that officers selected by the mine workers shall exercise su pervision over the organization and shall counsel with the mine workers ns to how their trade affairs shull lie conducted, Tho miners have, nt much right to select spokesmen to act fur them, to present their grievances, to manago their affairs, as have the stock holders ot any one of the anthracite coal companies to elect otllcers to perform lllto, functions. Mr, Mitchell concluded with a plea for the children. He sold: Our llttlo boys should not bo forced Into the niliici and breakers so early In life: our little, girls should not be com pelled to work In the mills and factories at an ago when they should bo In school. Theso children are tho future citizens of our nation; their parents should be cn nblcd to give them at least a common xchnol education, so us to equip thorn to bear the grave responsibilities which will ultimately devolvo upon them. The wealth and the future of tho nation aro not to be measured by Its palaces and millionaires, but rather by the enlight ened contentment nnd prosperity of its millions of citizens, who constitute tho bone and sinew of our land. After the counsel for all parties had agreed with Judge Gray that the wit nesses should be sworn, Mr. Mitchell took the stand and subscribed to the oath as administered by Clerk ot the Courts Daniels. Fifty minutes ot the- first hour of the afternoon session was taken up by Mr. Wlllcox with the reading of exccTpts from Mr. Mitchell's testimony before tho Industrial commission in 1897. He preceded the reading by asking Mr. Mitchell to interrupt him and state if he has changed any of his views ex pressed at that time. Mr. Mitchell did not interrupt him once. In his testimony before the Industrial commission, Mr. Mitchell declared the sliding scale feasible, If the "minimum scale was a living wage;" that restrict ive immigration laws were desirable, as many of the southern Europeans brought here were undesirable from a trades union standpoint, and that lie opposed 'labor saving machinery when It displaced men. The commissioners werei not very at tentive to Sir. Wlllcox's reading, evi dently not fully approving its purpose. DIRECT EXAMINATION. It was 11.03 when Mr. Mitchell's direct examination began and 12.12 when It was concluded. Appended is tho testi mony substantially In full. After stating that he was 33 years of age, and that lie had worked In the bituminous mines in all positions, door boy to miner, Mr. Mitchell proceeded to answer questions, us follows: Q. How many members are there of the United Mine Workers of America? A, There aro approximately 230.000 paid-up members In the national organization. Thero aro about 110.000 or 1 i:i,0(in In tho anthracite field; the remaining l:iO,0uu or 133,000 are In the bltumlulus field. It Js numerically stronger than any other sin gle trade union. Q. How Is !t divldul as to Its government? Toll us bilelly, so tlia commission may understand what It Is. A. It is divided into eighteen sepaiato dis tricts, usually tho state linos define the limi.ntlons of our district organizations, except where the mining population is very thick, nnd In that event wo form districts ourselves within a state. There are five districts In Pennsylvania. Q. What proportion of tho Mine Workers of Aiiit'iica niu members of your organiza tion? Mr. Wolverlon: Mr. Chairman, it has been sugesled by counsel for the re spondents, at this time, that we should stato to tho commlslsuu that the answeis of some of those respondents deny tho relevancy of this character of testimony. We do not wish to bo considered ns waiv ing that position by not statins' a formal objection. The Chairman: We nolo your exception. Mr. Wilcox: You would not note our exception, Mr. Chairman, btcauso thero ari no exceptions. The Chairman: I urdcisland; but we will not bo particular about words. Wo note what -Mr. Waiver on said, A. There t are about 70 per cent, of all the mine workers of the United Stntos members of our local unions. I wish to say that the paid-up nemborshlp and tho actual membership a not tho same; to account for wh.it ma.- appear to be a dis crepancy in tho two itiitt'ineiitu I make, The Chairman: t lid not hear that, A. (Contlnulns). I said about 70 per cent, of all tho mini workers in tin Unit ed Stntes aro inenibns of the 'lilted .Mlno Workers of Ameil'ii: but my statement that two handled and lltty thousand were paid up members would have to bo explained, the two Hiiilenients me contra dictory. Wo luive (i vc"v largo member ships Unit we ha e no Vi-cord ut un niir national books. Have Some Dockers, By Mr. Darrow i.'. Yo carry only paid-up iiieinbt'is im your national boulis.' A. V'es, We only carry the membership that the local iuilns pay us up; in other words, we liuvu in the labor movement like yon have among property owners some lax dodgers. And that ai'i'iuinlH fur that. Now, .Mr. Mitchell, how many orders or bodies aro thero In thn anthracite coal field? How many separate oigniilzntlons? A. There are three district organizations and about 330 local unions. Q. Do you know about whut proportion of coal mined In the United Stutes Is mined hi Pennsylvania V A. About rl per cent, of all the coal mined in the I'nlted Stales, both uiitliraa-. cite and bituminous, Q. What proportion ut" the iinthraelte mlno workers are members of your organ, izatlou? A. About W per cent. Q, What was the name of their organization up to the time they rnmo Into the i'nlted .Mlno Workers? A. It was Dlstiict las, Na tlonal Trades assembly 133, Knights of Labor, (J, Mr. Mitchell, in the bituminous coal fields has your organization cuntiHcts with thu owners? A, Yes, tdr. Q. In what states? A. In Aikniisas, Kansas, Missouri, lowu, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio Western and Central Pennsylvania, Midi Igan, Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, parts of Indian territory and parts of Colorado. Q. When did you make your first con. tracts witli mine operators In the bitum ens region? A, Tho first Joint contracts that weio made in recent years wero made la the spring of JS9$. Q. ow long since thero has been any general strike or any extended strlko In the bitumin ous region? A. In 1SP7 thero was a gen- EXPLANATION OF CUBAN TREATIES era! stillto through tho south coal fields. Q. Has thero been tiny strike of any Im portance since the contract has been mado? A, Not In any stale wlicro con tracts wero made. Thero may have been some strikes of considerable magnitude In plates where thero were no contracts. Q. Kor how long have your contracts ex isted? A. From year to year, one year at a time. Q, What date do you innku them? A. AYe make them between the first ot l'Vlirunry and the first of April. They go Into effect on tho first of Aorll. (1. Hy Joint conference between the owners and the organization? -A. Yes, sir. Q. Have you hnd any difficulty with It slnco 1SOT? A. Wo have never had any disagreements except In the state of Michigan. At each conference wo have made an ugrcement. Q. What has been the effect of tho or ganization and your joint contracts upon tho wages of the miners in l.ho bitumin ous region. A, The miners' wngos have increased materially. Q. How much havo they Increased since ISPS, roughly speak ing. A An average of fifty per cent. Q. What effect lias it had on hours. A. There lias been a reduction of two hours a day. Prom fen hours to eight hours. Q. Is tho eight-hour day general in tho bituminous region? A. With few excep tions, that day rules in all tho states. Q. Has it had any effect on the employ ment of children. A Yes. Q. And tho safety of mines? A. It has reduced the number ot children employed, and through the organization of miners, bet tor mining laws havo been enacted and tho laws more thotoughly enforced. The Two Fields. Q. As to mining, what is required ns to skill and experience to mako a good miner? A. In tho anthracite fields? Q. In the anthracite fields? Q. Take both of them. A. In the bituminous field it does' not require a very high degree ot skill; In fact, thero is no law in the bitumin ous fieids that restrlcti tho employment of men skilled as miners. A person who has never worked In a mine may go into a bituminous mine and start at onco to mine coal. In tho anthracite fields, the laws provide that an applicant for a posi tion as miner must havo had two years' experience as a mlno laborer. Ho N re quired to answer a list of questions, showing him to be a practical and ex perienced man, having technical knowl edge, etc. Q. Independent of the law, Jlr. Mitchell, as a matter of fact, docs it require experience and training to be a miner? A., Tho anthracite miners all tell me that it requires a great deal ot skill, that It Is extremely hazardous and requires a high degrco of skill. Q. Generally speaking, what do you say about the hazard of the mining business? A. Tt is extremely hazardous; It la tho most hazardous employment in the United States In any Important industry. Q. JIow is it ns to henltth? A. It Is ex tremely unhealthy. Q. In what way does IL nlfect the health of the miners? A. Usually In attacks of miners' asthma a illsca-e peculiar to men who work In anthracite coal mines. Q. Do you know anything about the statistics or reports "upon tho question as to the number who have miners' asthma? A. ro: i uuuer sland that every miner has it to a greater or less degree. Q. Vim are not Informed as to tho ratalllles? A. Tho report of the inspec tor of the Pennsylvania Htireau of Mines for the year 1W)0 shows: that 013 persons were killed In the anthracite mines. Q. And do you know about the accidents? A, Twelve hundred non-fatnl accidents, 1 believe. Q. Do you know the possibilities of ob taining Insurance for miners? A. I have made Inquiry. Q. Through what sources have you made Inquiry? A. From tho reputable insurance companies. Q. What have you learned in that regard? A. That reputable companies will not Insure miners. Q. Where any insurance is granted by any sorts of companies, what aro tho. rates? A. They are very high. One company would charge twenty-six dollars for carrying an insurance policy of five hundred dollars, which would mean llfty-two dollars ii year to carry ono thousand dollars' insurance. Tills was an accident policy. Not So Many Deaths. O. Mr. Mitchell, Is thero any difference In tho bituminous regions and tho hard coal regions, as tn accidents? A. Yes, sir. Tho number of deaths In the bit uminous fields Is nut as great as it Is in the anthracite tl( Ids in proportion to tho number employed, Q, How about health? A, Work In the bituminous mines Is not as imheulthfiil as wink hi tho anthra cite mines. Miners' asthma is not as prevalent. Q. How do wages In the bit uminous regions compare with tho wages In the anthraclto regions generally .speak ing? A. The wages In the bituminous fields are geiiHinlly about .'.0 per cent, higher from 40 to r,0 per cent, hlghor than some classes of labor in tho iintlua elto field, and 20 to 30 for oilier classes ut labor. That Is particularly true ot men employed by 11m day or by the hour'. Tim wages of nun who work by contract are, generally speaking, from 20 to 30 per cent, higher in the bituminous fields than they ure In tho anthracite fields. Q, The mining in Hie bitumlmnis regions is douo by the mlneis. by the piece or by tho tun or car. is It. as a rule? A. In tho bitum inous fields it Is performed by the tun. in nil of tho slates wlicro coal is consumed or shipped west, 2,000 pounds constitute a ton. In those stntes ship ping to lid" water. 2,210 pounds consu late a ton. (J. Now nro you referring to the ton for which the miner guts paid? A. Yes, sir. (J. I low does the general condition com pute in the uuthrat'lti' and bituminous re. glnns? A. The conditions : the bitumin ous fields are, generally speaking, better than In tho anthracite fields, Tho houses are, on the whole, better. That Is espu chilly true of houses owned by the coal companies. .. What was the oiigln of tho recent strike. A. Failure or lefusal on tho part of the companies to advance wages or im prove conditions of employment, or re fusal ti submit the Issues to n boaid of arbitration. -) lit the first place, what I mean is. your organization had some agi tation in the way of theso gilcvniu'ca that they ufterwaids furmulaicd? A. Yes, sir. Tim anthracttii mine workers have been constantly denmi'dlng lucrc.iseil wages and Improved conditions of employment, asking that their coil be weighed, and so forth. () In a general way, this agita tion was for Increased wages, either by extra money or by shorter hours? A, Yes, sir. Q. Hhiirters hours with the same pay; and for a different .system of ascer taining their compensation, by weighing? A. Weighing their ccul, and some meth od whereby tlio grievances that arose from time to time might bo adjusted with out forcing them to engage in strikes. Q. And that latter meant something In the the way of recogultlcii of tho union, per hups, to put it that way? A. Yjes, sir, they preferred to have that. Q. Or con. trading with tho union? A. Yes, blr, Q, IContinued on Pago U.J The Piatt Amendment Is Entlrelu Independent of the Present ReclproGitu Hitch. MR. ELKINS OFFERS INSIDE HISTORY West Virginia Senator Explains That Purely Local Interest to Pre vent Overhauling of Tariff Dic tated His Stand at Last Ssssion. Tixlty of Plntt Terms Clearly Understood oth at "Washington nnd Havana. 8y Inclusive Wire from The Associated Treat. Washington, Nov. 14. The treaty under negotiations between Cuba nndt tile United States is a reciprocity treaty pure and simple. It has nothing what ever to do with the terms of the Plato amcniMiirnt, and should It be carrleil into eflect will be entirely independent of a treaty which may be framed later in accordance " with the conditions which the Piatt amendment Imposes. There seems to be a general mlsunderw standing on tills point. The Piatt amendment is already uf part ot the fundamental law of Cuba. Its adoption by the constitutional con vention was the condition under which the United States wlthdrewlts troops. There can be no question about tho framing of a treaty to carry its pro vislon into effect. That is slmp'ly it matter of detail, clearly understood In Cuba as well as in the United States. 'There has been no correspondence whatever between our government and the Cuban government about It, and there will be none until the reciprocity treaty is out of the way. The adminis tration is not worried about the fate of the reciprocity treaty. The delay lit completing it has beendue to several causes. One of the principal of these causes Is .the fact that the negotiations have been entirely in the hands of Min ister Squires at Havana and Minister Quesada, in Washington, neither of whom pretends any close -acquaintance with tariff questions. Importance of Negotiations. Until very recently neither Secretary Hay nor Secretary Root has paid very much attention to tho matter. But now, with congress) about to convene, they realize the importance of 'hasten ing the negotiations. It is for the pur pose of bringing about a clearer under standing that Gen. Taslcer H. Biles has been ordered to Havana. The Cuban leaders are apparently in dense Ignor ance as to the operation of a tariff in the raising of revenue. They have nn conception beyond the crude idea that the higher the rate of duty the greater the revenue will be. It will be for Gen. Bliss to show them' that this Is not necessarily true, anil that in the case of imports from the United States it" may well happen that a lower duty, by Increasing the volume of the imports, will Increase the amount of money turned into the treasury. Another obstacle which has stood lir the way of speedy action Is the atti tude of President Palma, who Is anx ious to negotiate in accordance with tho wishes of the United States, but who Is doubtful as to the length to which tho Cuban people will permit him to go. Hu Is not sure of his own position. A stronger executive would probably havo settled everything before this. General miss will havo to convince the Cubans that, in spite of plausible statements by the diplomatic representatives of other countries, the United States ik Cuba's best friend, and thnt It Is great ly tu the advantage of both countries to enter Into reciprocal trade relations. It is a peculiar development that the question should now be raised In Havana whether It will be to Cuba's advantage to have reciprocity with tho United Klu'jr. When the reciprocity bill was before congress its passage was urged chiefly on grounds of sentiment, as a. duty tho United States owed to Cuba. Senator Elkins' Statement. Senator Klklns, of West Virginia, said today: "The whole secret of my fight against Cuban reciprocity last session wus In just one thing. I don't mind telling It now. Lumber Is one of the great pro ducts of my state. Lumber and coal have added immensely to our resources. The tariff of $12 a thousand tut lumber Increased West Virginia's valuation many millions probably between $35, 000,000 and $10,000,000. "Tho northwest wants free lumber, Had we started voting on Cuban reci procity the way would have been clear to vote for lower duties on many other products. Amendments would have been placed on the bill, There would have been, efforts to lower the duty on steel. When we were voting on steel, others would luivo proposed a chnnge In the wool schedule; still others would have proposed lowering the duties on hides and leather, and ev ntr.nlly the north we5t would hay" 'lJ' '" reduce the duty on lumber. T'-ai was what I feared, I was willing to pay the run ning expenses of the Cuban govern ment fur ton years rather tit. n start upon any such experiment us that reci procity bill. I was willing to vote fo a rebate. In my speeih on tho subjeck I stated that I was willing tu vote ton the treaty." ,j -t ---f-r--f-' t-'', -f WEATHER FORECAST. 4- 4- -f AVashlugton. Nov. 14. Forecast 4j. -f for Saturday uud .Sunday: Eastern V i- Pennsylvania r'ab" and warmer fi 4- Saturday; Sunday fair; fresh touth- 4- -f west winds. -f 1. 1. T it 1 1 t t. t..t t. 1 t t ' te