Gazette of the United States. fHILADELPHIA, TUESDAY EVENING, DttCKSIBER 6 Prices of Publir Stock, fHaitli.r» 4, DiCtMtta. if. Eight p«r ce:.? aock—4o9* 108 Siipersf-SA. l©ck "5 _ Navr , P ta9 ° C -rrcd 6 per teat 93 a 894 Vhree per cant. J7j. a ?7 j M per tent. > 4 t-t per cent 5 none at market feANK U. Scites 140 a 1 >9 p. cent ad."\ .1 Pennfylvania,'l3jai34 ditto f N. America 13» ditto f InfuraaeeC#. FeijnVa 117 icd .he attempt flill more im proper was, its bein/ an innovation on the prattice of the house. For finte he liaat ' ie'eti a member of the Legislature, indivi- ' duals of this ilefc: tption had been placed by 1 the house ftt their ease, in a fitsarion con- 1 verrtent for hearirtg what puffed. Why is this practice, hitherto un,>ppol"ed, now to t be broken vn upo : n ? For such an innovation a and departure from the eftabliflrcd praftice r of the house, there tJugTit to be the ftronged c reasons; particula>ly when tht attempted innovation refpefted. aiid was made by, . those, whose eanduft was to be scrutinised. • Ir was not without deliberation that the c praftice of the house had been iriftitutcd c and adhered to. Some grntle'men had. r fc/rne time linee, contemplated the employ- c jnent of a particular individual, whose frr- r x-ices were to be paid for by the house. t Butthe idea was abandoned, from the fuppol ed fa'nftion given by such an aft to hisflate- ], ments, whereby the house might be made /e'fpnnftblc for his accuracy and talents. The difficulty attending the business be 0 acknowledged to be great. But for the rea sons he had assigned, he thought the house 8 had afted right, in forbearing to interfere, n further than by merely aligning a conve- si nient place to the ftenographeri It was | C deemed fafeft to confide the bufinels to per-1 » fens not kno»rn officially to thehoufe, whose j J*, own individual interest would constitute the j w be ft pledge'fw their fidelity. Though no t j yrsci'fe Vefolve had'been passed to this tf feft, i't was well uiiderftood that this was ™ the eoorfe-the house meant to pursue, after having given the fubjeft a deliberate and foierou confide ration. ( bt /> r Shall "pre ns^* - iVtd tvtr. Kicholis aftf this mature i.iidarWfon, on the a-ere tng geflion -o! pftfonal inco;j\'tfiiie "e s on a fu'p j-ifr oflnch importance t.oinvi c a gen ,>e man from a conlidir ii ■ diftanee, [refer- Ing to foms oIJ pl.vrvl flmll' we, after the fanclion of at' :>r.itorm practise, f«-r iii;dby the imtf p<"> • ,t!, for which it lias been ob lerved, on the fug ;efiiuti of a trif.itijj incon venience. which, he believed, on examinati on, would not be found to cNift at all, adopt the innovation preps fed by the report «f the co.nniittee 1 For his part, he thought they were all daeply iwterelled in having the debates well taken, as it- was not in their power altogether to prohibit theii be ing takfn. He had heard but two obje&iotn made to the old plan. The firtt was, that by palling a lefolve, admitting the Stenogra phers within the bar, the houl'e gave „a I'aHiSioh to the reports publiflied by them. The second was, that as the speaker had heretofore had the management of the bu fniefi it would be wrong to take it out ol his hands. As t« the firfl objeftion he thought it altogether inrorrefl. The refohition, fub initted by the gentleman from North Caro lina, (Mr. Hill) which he wilhed the hoofe to adopt, does not propose the feleclion of anv particular perlbn. It admits gene rally those individuals who wifli to take the debates. Can this admillion make us re sponsible for the conduit of men we do not know, and over whom we have no con ttoul ? Have we heretofore been confidei ed as refpenfible ? And wherein consists rhe difference between our part situation, £c the situation we fliall be in, if the motion of the gentleman from North C.irolina be adopted ? We fh»U then only have done that, which before had been done by the Speaker. Governed by a sense of duty, the Speaker had refufed ad million within the bar. It becomes, therefore necefiary, in order to admit, for the * j«lfe to pass a re solution. But it did not follow that the lea ft refponlibility would arise from such an adl. Par amount of a Joare 430 DA. Cti. Indeed by admitting the stenographers witfein the bar, the refponlibility of the I house would bt- dimini (lied ; f«-r if the haufe admitted them, no one could then lay that |it had done any. thing'that interfered with a faithful report the debates ; whereas by I excluding the stenographers, the unavoida ble inaccuracies committed might be Charg ed to the houte. The feeond objection mxde to the refo- Intion of the gentleman from Horth Caro lina, was that as the speaker had hereto fore had tne management of the bufmels, it wotsld be wrong to take it out of hit I hand-. Mr. Nicholas in reply to this objection, obl'rrved thac the power heretofore cxerci iecl by the speaker on this hsd nut been expresfiy delegareJ by him to the hcnle. It had often been thought of, but no deciHon had heretofore heen made. A* the -.ibj-A aC/.t-d related to the convenience of the members, be thought they - vere the ; heft of the propriety of granting 't. ' The inconvenience allecgej t# exill was en ; tirely » matter of opinion. He thought it ; had either no exigence or a very limited cx ifteuce. As he had remarked before the fub jed\ was extremely delicate. He would not consent to furnilh room for being charged with a willi tofupprefs the metns of making an enquiry into his conduit. He believed that the innovation contended for, would be so Viewed—so far, therefore* from con lidering it as innocent, he viewed it as wrong in itfelf, and likely to be mtlchievous in its rffe&s. Mr. Otis was one of those who was not disposed to make a strong (land agaittft the resolution offered by the gentleman from North Carolina. He did not view the point in so inteiefting a light as did the'gentleman who preceeded him. It appeared to hnn in the shape of a queftiou of convenience ; and as to his own fi;utiti:m, vt conld not be afle&edby any perm ilfion given to the Ste nographers to come within the bar. M*nf of the arguments he had heard implied that the tituation at pre lent occupied by the Stei nographers was exclusive of all others; — whereas if that were inconvenient' they might take any other, so that they did not tois>e within the bar. It is true that the Stenographers have hitherto been admitted within the bar.— They were admittedbecaufe there was room. Rut in oor prrfent chamber the room was left ; nor cotilg they occupy a part of tint little without materially interfering with the convenience r.f the members. In his opinion the proper question for the house to consider was, whether an admiflion (hould take place independent of the speaker or whether he should de cide its propriety. It did not follow, if the Speaker retained the maaagement, that the exclusion would apply to all oc casions. It was true that the places, delired by the (lenogr.tphers, were gene rally assigned to the high executive offi ceVs of the government, and the foreign ministers. But if, m confidence with their accomodation, the indulgence could be granted, during any important debate he had no doubt of the speaker s readi ness to admit them, and they might thus obtain a temporary place w thin the bar. M. O is thought the remarks of the j gentlemen from Virginia covered too much ground. They ascribed to the friends of the report an attempt to pre clude the people from obtaining all information of what palled in this house. , No such defigti existed. For his part he j e i wirtied the people to know every thing 3 that occurred within these walls. There | was bo doubt of the debates, as hereto . fore given, being an inadequate organ [ of the ideas of the members —they had t been taken for nearly twelve years ; and fomctitr.es they bad been accurate, and I at other times terribly inaccurate ; and ] so complete, had thfe ditlortiotj or fenti mcnts often been that had it not been for thfc name that was attache.! to a par ticular speech, the member, to whom it was ascribed, would not have known it to be his. Mr. Otis would notwithstan ding, not deny the ability of a p rfon who read the debates to form a tolerable idea of the arguments used or a parti cular fubjeft. The charge of innovation, Mr. Otis though He proposed to leave the bufiriefs as it had heretofore been left, free from any resolve of the house, to' the controul of the Speaker. By this conduit no fan&ion would be given to the performances of any reporter ; but, on the other hand, if the house passed a refolvr, diverting the peaker of his pre vious power, they would render them • selves refponfiblc and would virtually give a fan£tion. I If it were resolved that tke house should interfere, he would much rather ! feleil and pay an individual, competent to the business, and appeal; for the faith ful discharge of his trust, to his candour and impartiality. i If the house palled the resolution ad- I mitting the Stenographers within the bar, &r Otis alked whether they would not in fa£t be officers of the house. The only difference between them and the other officers would he that one would be paid while the other would not. Mr. Otis laid that, in his opinion, the tnort inconvenient petition in the house had been taken by the Stenographer. It was near the clerk's offiee, between which and the bar there was a p-'petual passage of the members. If an experiment were matfc of a position on the other fide, or in the upper gdlery, he was persuaded it would be found very convenient. Are not, said Mr. Otis, the galleiies conflrufted for the express purpose of hearing ? Are they not intended for the good peoplecf the United States ? And if they can hear in them, cannot the rtenog-apliers also? Mr. Otis concluded by Hating the ex treme inconvenience that would aiife from | admitting the Sttnpgraphers, the interfe | renc- it would produce with the alUgnatibn of feats to the Secretaries of our Govern ment and the foreign minirters, and with declaring his opinion that it was mart expe dient to adapt the report of the com mittee: Mr. Nicholfon laid, that if he.undcrftood the objeftiort. mad? by the gentFemap from MafischufettV (o jftiritini? an admillion the Stenographers within the bar, they might be :tll elafled under three heads 1. It woul' be againfl precedent. 2. It woul" prevent the members from having elbow room. 3. There is a poflibility that the Speaker may indulge the Stenographers. As tb the KVft obj.-ftions h: would aflc whether the house had not a light to exer cise any powe* themselves that was exer cised, by the Speaker. Hitherto the lpeaker has exsrcifed the power, and admitted the Steri»graphtrs" within tfie bar, ht n®w re refwfcs to do it, and we are called uj»on to perform what < he lefufes. If we think it proper to admit rhein we haiTe a right to do it. The power heretofore exercised by the Speaker, w.-uderived from us, according to 'the well known nujcuHi, facit per ptr sc. Cut, we are told that the admission would interfere, with the accommodation of the four Secretaries and the foreign mi niliers, Suppose it fliould, laid Mr. Nichol fi>n. I alk whether the convenience and the inte re (I of the people of the United States are to be proflrated by our compliance to the Secretaries and foreign agents? It is our duty to enable tile people to obtain the bell information of what is doing here, that we can supply. Shall we abandon our duty, (hall we facrilice the interests of our con stituents, to a sense of politeness to these gentlemen ? It would he much better to l'ubmit to the inconyenience experienejd by the secretaries and the foreign miniflers, if these isnotropm far them within the bar, ['than tp conceal from the people the know ledge they»have a right to pofTefs. Let, I them, the foreign ministers, if there be fueh i * competition, >etire into the Galleries. He confidered'tliejubjefl as us high impor tance-both to the counti v, and the niem ; bers themftlves. They all ought to deli re j their eonduft to be rigidly infpc&cd. Gentlemen lay that the debates have I been he tof"te imperfe&ly taken. Will | they remedy the evil by excluding.the Ste nographers from places within the bar ? If, heretofore, notwitWlandmu the favourable nef; of their petition, when (tillnefs and si lenCe reigned, they have been unable to take the debates with precision, can it |)e txpc£led that, driven to a diflance from molt of the members, surrounded by a crowd in perpetual motion, they will be able more fuCceftfully to acconoplilh their ob jeft ? Sir, faitl Mr. Nicholfon, the ex pedition is absurd. It cannot be done.— I have placed rtiyfelf without the bar, and I declare it inrpoffiltle to hearc If, then, yon are determined to exclude them from their iilual places, you had infinitely better-turn them out of the House altoge ther. 1 As to the convenience o£ the galleries for hearing, Mr. Nichotfcn was notable from a trial mad? by hunfelf to decide upon it. But he had heard but one uniform opinion, wliich was that owinj to the con (lant paflage of perfoiK, and the frequent crowd it would conta n tt was impoffiblr to hear there with any diftinftnefs. With refpe£t remaiks made by the gentle man tVoni Massachusetts, on this point, he thought them altogether inaopofite. The gallery wasnot conftrnfted by us, and if it were a bad place for hearing, it aroVe not from any fault to be ascribed to lis. All that we did, was to open our. d>>ors to all cia«e»s, who conduced tfiemfelves with decoi 11 m. I he nerfotiil inconvenience to members alledgird, did not in the opinion »f Mr. Ni cholfon exirt. He thought there was ample room. The chamber they oe£up ed was similar t® that in Philadelphia ; and the politions deli-ed by the Sten.igrarhrr were lelatively tiie fame as those in Philadelphia. By advancing tile clerk's table tli.ee feet, every difficulty wpulci be removed. Mr. Kutledge fiia that t|tr members who haho report them. Not more than forty or fifty p'erlbns transiently app»ar in the galleries, wh« ■ e not equal to diffufing a knowledge of yo.ur proceedings. Exclude the stenographers & s ou may as we'l si.m your d *ors. It may be said that you print your journal*.' But who reads them. They are scarcely read by the members themfclves. On great national quelUons the people oijght to know, not only what you da but alfd the principles the you. The gentlemen from S. Carolina was willing to place the ftenograpliers under the coercion of the Speaker, but was averse to placing them undrr the coer cion of the house. For his part he thought differently. He did not wish to fee them at the mercy of the Speaker. Several allusions had bsen made to the treatment of a reporter at Philadel phia. who had been driven from thff house by the. peaker. He recollected the affair, & in his opinion the Speaker had in this cafe been atluate-d more by personal enmity than by any other motive, By this Day's Mail WASHINGTON CITY, December i%. A letter lias Seen receive J t/onj a gentleman at Colurn ia, who had been informed by for*af Sovrtk th it Tho* ma? [effr fort would Have eight votes, and Aa rv n Burr Arven. Tiie Electors of North Carolina have voted at f >'iow :—- For Th. ma- TcffL-ribri Aaron Burr J hn Adamt C. C. Pi^ckney On Thursday lafl, the Legislature of Miry lanc proceeded to choli- a Sena or »f the Uni ted States in the roi'tn of Mr. LKyd resigned. TH-votes were For Mr. William Hmdman Mr. Earie « Account! from Tenneflee, that may be de-- pended on, slate that General Daniel Su.itb,- is Cliofei'i the tiiird JEle&or lor that Stat*. The eleilion of General Smith completes the num ber of eleitoclfur TemefFee, arid reduce! it to a certainty that Mr. Jtfferfon and Mr. Burr will' have all the votes of that' State. Charles Scott, John Coburn, Isaac ?he!by and John P-'pe, are chofcjn E!edlors for Kea tuckcy. Tbey are decidedly Democrat!. CONGRESS. House of Rtpt cseutathfs. Wednefdny, Dec. io, iSoo. The H iufe went into a committee of the whole, Mr. F.-.lmond in the cliair, on the Bill for err£\inir h Mausoleum to ry of Gi f v *Gt Washington. Mr. Ch rphn, after fouic remarks, the in dlfiil1el hearing of which did not enable us to determine on which lide of the queftioil he argued, moved that the committee rile, report progress, and alk leave to fit again. Which motion being carried without a di vifipir, the commirte rose 5 and 011 the que ftioii to grant them leave to fit again, only three members rofr in the affirmative. Leave was, of course, denied. Mr. Cliaitiplin then moved the recommit ment of the bill to the fame corrimittee that, reported it, with the addition of two mem be- s, which was carried, and MefTrs. Clai b»re and Chairplin appointed. After Mr. Chainplin's motion for a re commitment of the Bill to a fe.lett commit tee was carried. . ' Mr. Claiborne said, he had'rifen to move that the committee jnfl appointed be inftruft ed to enquire into the expediency ot carrying into effeft a refelution paflrd by;the old Co.i» grefs, on the 7th of August 1788," Direct ing; an equefirian flsttie of general Wash ington, to be eredted at the place wheie the residence of Congress shall be eftahlifli'-d. Mr. Claiborne laid, that on a question which could not fail to excite the sensibility of every American heart, it was a fnbjefl of great regret, that a division of sentiment Ihould arise. The mcmo.iy of our departed patriot lives in the afFe£Uons of a graceful 4 - 4 *9 40*