CONGRESS.
HOUSE of REPRESENTATIVES.
Thursday, November 27, 17941
Debate on Mr. Dayton's motion to rt-
Jlort the words " felf-created fotieties
and,'' vjhith bad been expunged in
the address to the Prcfident in answer
to his Speech.
Mr. Nicholas, after a fhdrt apology
for speaking again observed, the gentle
man who amused the houle yelterday,
and the gentleftian who jolt let down,
Lave so far fallen ihort of their object,
that he (hould be pardoned in taking a
review of the fubjedt. The gentlemen
have adopted thi» mode—they 6rft pro
pose a quell ion, and from a companion
of the mifchiefs arising on the different
decisions, urge a tight to decide, when
no such right is contended exist.—
What is the evidence on which we ate
to decide ? the tellimeny of the gentle,
man from Pennsylvania i He refers to
une fjciety only. Adverting to the ad
drefi, Mr. N. exprefled his surprize that
so much aid had been drawn from that
quaiter. He refj.ected the Prelident—
he believed his declarations ; but this
impoled no obligation to add his own.
Noticing Mr. Dexter's remarks on the
abuse of the liberty of the press, he ad
verted to the publications of the demo
cratic focicties ; if they are so falfe?* is
pretended, they will defeat themselves.
He notic:d the concefiibn which Sad
been made, that Societies for political
informa; ion are legal and may be ufe
ful—taking this for granted, he inGfted
that they had a right to censure, as well
as to inform; for without this right,
the concefiion amounts to nothing.
He noticed the argumeht that the
censure being general, does not amonnt
trf*individual censure—is it is not gene
ral and individual censure both, the ar
gument irvfavour of the general propo
fit ion is of no ule, and is nugatory.
He noticed the alferticiii of Mr. Dex
ter, who hai aflVrtcd that the house had
a right to legislate in this cafe ; he re
marked that b.y this mode the house pre
cluded the regular course of legislation,
by a single vole at the commencement
of the felTion.
We are called upon to support the
President ; bat what are we to support,
his adtions or hit opinions ? The consti
tution does not depend on the Presi
dent ; but the Prelident has only (la
ud an opinion to the people, and leaves
it to them to reflcdl on it. He lament
ed that the Prefidenf's weight and influ
ence was brought Co often into debate.
He had heard it said it was pttrrcf a
fyitem ■, he wished it might not be iriju
tious to him or to the government.
Mr. Montgomery. l)id the gerttlemen
miagint that the Prefrdent, admitting
Tit was in any way interested in their de
cilion, could feel any great fatistacfiion in
a majority of foi ty-feven against forty-fix ?
Or was the weight of the forty-fix mem
bers to be destroyed, with the public,
merely because they were, out voted by fueh
a narrow majority? if the amendment
was voted at all, it would be this way,
and lie could not possibly fee what advan
tage any party was to reap from having
such a majority. The people at large
know as well as the House the state of the
rotes on the amendment, and, at any
rate, they will judge for thtmfelves. He
wilhed the thing to fall alleep, arid as
the moll peaceable way to get rid of it, he
ihould, if seconded, move the previous
question.
Severtil gentlemen rose to second the mo
tion. Mr. Sedgwick and Mr. Dayton de
, ebred that it was out of order. It would
bring the hoirfe into fjch a dilemma that
they could sot get forwad with the business
either one way or another. After some
difpu'e this' point *>f form was referred to
the Speaker. He declared that the moti
on for a previous question was in order,
qeftiorr being on the amendment.
This opinion was over ruled by tbe house.
The house were then going to divide
when Mr. Carnes got up.
He was entirely against the amendment.
It denounced vengeance against all focie
tics ; this was extremely unjust. It would
be better for the house to speak out like
men, and name the culprits. Let a com
mittee be appointed, if it must take notice of
the afFair, and let them enquire and report
what was the real cause of the late infur
reflion, Mr. Carnes gave an inftancec
•f a democraticai foriety that turned out
as volunteers against the rioters. " Do
we think," said Mr. Carnes, « that the
President interests himfelf in our address.
Sir, that character is not to be aniufed
with trifles, lie is not to he tickled luitb the
tw-. of a paragraph. Whit ! are we to
answer a line and a halt of a speech, with
a vote thatftrikes at tlx foul if all society ?
Art we to point the finger of exccrcation
indiscriminately ? What will be the effeil,
Sir, of rhis A gentleman Mr.
Sedgwick told you the other day, that de
mocratic societies had produced the infur
reflion, hut when «the course of his ob
iervatious, he became a little more anima
ted, he told us, that ?. foreign env.iy; Ge
net, had been the cauft of all this mif
***£" If thi» bs true the democratic so
ric&es sk iiißdcctat. Sir, bar Hit, amend,
ment you would prevent the freedom of (
speech, and lock-tlie mouths of men.
They are not to censure the measures of go*
| vernment, and then bad men may do Vbat
i they please with it. I hope, fir, that the
| day wiH never come, wh-n the people oi
America (hall not haVfe leave to assemble
and speak their mind. It i« acknowledged
that this affiir i» not an object of judicial
| cognizance. This overftraijling alway«
deifati it owti purpose. The trial of Muir
and others, on flimfey grouuds, have done
more l'ervice to the cause of their party
than if they had received a reinforcement
of livethoufand fighting men."
As to the companion between this
btifinefs nnd that of St. Clair's failure,
there wa» no fort of similarity or cor
respondence between tlrem. In that
cafe the house had employed servants, 8c
was entitled to look into their conduit.
The present amendment, on the contra
ry, holds tip no determinated object,
and has ill-nature and asperity on the i
very face of iti Wheri the Preiident,
in his speech, mentioned the felf-created
fociclies, he did not address himfelf to
the House of Representatives, but trt
people at large. But if it was to be
come the rule, in framing a reply, to
make it an txaft echo of the speech it
felf, if there was no necessity for exer
cising our judgments, he considered the
houle as losing time. It would be
much better to take the speech at orvte,
turn the other end uppermost, and fend
it back to the President as fall as pufli
blei As to this all powerful refolutioh
which was to go ir.to these dark cells, of
which the house had been -old, it would
be much better to give the gerttleilian
(Mt. W. Smith) a blacking brulfi, and
fend him intt> thtfnf to mark out the
guilty; The house would then know
how to proceed. Mr; Games objected
to Mr. Dexter's coiHparifon,- of a man
(hot dead by a ball. He wanted the
gentleman to (hew him (Iff bullet,- at,
in plain tern s, to (hew hi«* a letter
from the democratic societies of New-
York, or Philadelphia, add re (fed to
the western people, and exciting theri»
to iiifurrcdiion } but as the gentleman
could (hew him no such thing, Mr.
Carnes, utterly denied the propriety of
Mr. W. Smith thotight it so mew-hat
strange tha: at this time of day, mem.'
lie re fliould be calling for fatts, when
these arr so well knotfnto all the house/
He then read a set of fefol'itionj, dafted
Bth of May last, adopted and pirfcrlrfhtd
by the democratic society of PhiladeJ
' phia. These resolutions condemned, in
the most unqualified term» the appoint
ment John Jay at minitter from the
U. S. to the court of London, because
they fay, he had formerly declared/
that the BritUh were entitled to k-.-ep I
■ the yreftSrn polls, and because it was
contrary to the constitution to appoint
a judge to a deplomatic station. The
H roil censure was likewise cast upon
the executive for having made such an
appointment. These resolutions were
circular and voted to be sent to all
the democratic foeietieg in the United
States.
Mr. Smith next obferred, that indi
vidual legislatures in the Union fiad
pafied votes of censure on this house,
and he did not fee, by a parity of rea
soning, why the house might not also
pass votes of censure. Mr. Smith said,
that there had been a great change of
fenrtments of some members of that
house. About two yeaisago the house
of representatives had derermirfed by
thirty-five votes against sixteen, to pass
an opinion on the new conftitdtion of
France, and the gentlemen who had
tfien exercised the right, now denied
that the house had it. Mr. Smith con
cluded by faying, that the President had
denounced the deraocratical focietics,
and they had denounced him.
Mr. Giles rofc and said that the
charge of inconlifteney rested with the
member last up, who in the cafe refer
red to, had aflerted that the house had
no right to past a vote of opinion, yet,
on the present question, infiftod that
they had, Mr. Giles was one of the
thirty.five who voted for an exercise of
opinion, but this was only for returning
a civil answer to a civil letter from the
republic of France. The gentlemen
who gave that Tote for an answer knew,
that they were not to give an opinion,
where they could not legislate. There
was therefore no inconsistency on the
part of these members; But with the
gentleman from South-Carolina. Mr.
Giles informed the house of his havinir
this moment, leaned, that in the a"
my, in the western counties, there was
nothing talked of, but overturning de
mocratic focicties. No body could tell
where this matter might end.
(' 0 be Concluded on Monday.)
From the £agli.
v I G I L.
A« the author of the laborious work
cailcd " th« \ igii," in desirous of
etiooßMgisg cortefpondMU ta assist
htm in hi* speculations, he now pre
sents a communication from a young
friend, whose genius, is deserving of
patronage, and whose political Senti
ments correspond With his own;
TO THE VIGIL.
Sir, »
At you have never made any observa
tions oil politics, 1 will give you a
few hints, Which, if you think pro
per, you may communicate, as they
are; or, if you choole, pleale to give
them fouie better drefsi
I It it the difpofitio« of some men,
I when innocent novelties I cafe to please
I and employ than, to invent and frame
| hobby-borfei for rhemfelves, and their
profeljrtes to ride, without the least re
gard to eoafequences; and blindly to
pursue their favorite fc-hemcs, hoWever
ruinoui to tlie happiness of ti»er fellow
citizens, and dcftru&ive of all p'ioci
pies.—
We are fu'rroiimled with hordes of be
ings, molt poifono'us to a government,
whose only wish is peace, and
dotneftie tranquility;
These vermin are particularly anic
ious to dif srrfe their pernicious princi
pies mof<f generally through these llates;
biit in Newharfipfiiire have hitherto fail
ed !ri their attempts;
Kfothing ii more injurious to the re
gular and peaceable administration of
gO'vernmtntj thsiii clubs, whose pro fel
led design it the fuperintendance of rhar
.government;— Their incrtafe, ami in
fluence is a sure evidence of approach
infg tiil to a State, and consequently,
nothing ought to add so much/ to the
vigilance of virtuous citizens, for the
welfare of thp eftablidied government;
and nothing should have so immediate
an influence to llrengthen our attach
ment to it, as the eitablifhmeut of Ja
cobinic clubs.—
I arft by no means avcrftt to' open,
fair, and candid difcuflions of political
queitions ; but am however, far from
wiftuiig to eucourage those fosietice
vthofe evident tendency, 'r.« obtaining
|an influence, is to lefien the power of
the officers of government, and to lead,
■of rather drive, the legiilature, where
eVer they please.—
Tk'efe Democratic Satieties, aliho at
ftrft they appear infijjnifica'nt and hardly
wtjrth notice, yet their tendency is real
ly confcqtiential. Altho their r.umbtM
is frfiall, at firft, yet it is by no means
difficult for them to proselyte incouia
derate individuals ; and alas ! fomc in
deed have hearkened to their flattery,
who have heretofore been esteemed rile
ritorious, and have, in fomc dark mo
ment, been ttagjjf thsjji'f" of tlioi* -nila:
aaigns. I AtcelHons of this kind, to
[ their former power, has influence over
otheis, who at length become difaffcA
j ed ; which tends to dimi'iiffi the revei
; ence for government, even in those, who
1 are not immediately connedled with
them by becoming hiemberi of theii
inftitutior.s.
A republic,; having, in this fatal way,
loft its energy, carrnot be fufficiently re
fpe&able at home, and of cpurfe will
not appear in that degree formidable
abroad, which is neccflary to secure it
from intelline wars, and from the at- 1
tacks of foreign enemies.
1 heir name, (Democratic) which is
undoubtedly ju(t to their levelling prin
ciples, shews tbem to be such, as are in
consistent witfi those of Federal Repub
licans.
A citizen of the United States would 1
nerer have thought of iiitrod«'.;ng filch
a nuilance into tl < country, wcrt; he
not blinded by no rfty, and the jr'are
ing appearance of le French Jaobins,
whose influence v ould finally tave des
troyed all hopes of a regular government \
in France, had not their tendency been i
explored in fcafon, and their supporters
been opposed and feafonabl/ cut off, by
the keen razor of national juftiee.
Foreign Intelligence.
LONDON, OAobei g
Yesterday Mr. Windham was pre
fented\ to. hit majesty by the duke of
Portland, *n hit arrival from the
Hague.
Yesterday the earl of Chatham laid
a variety of papers in the naval depart
ment before his majesty at Buckingham
house. Mr. Windam also laid a great
number of letters and papers befere the
'king, which took up nearly two hours.
Yesterday morning arrived the mail
from Halifax, brought to Falmouth by
the Weftmoreland packet, Capt. Wolfe,
in 17 days.
The board of Agriculture have ap
pointed Mr. James Donaldfon, at Dun
dee, to make lip a general report of the
ttate of agriculture in Great-Britain,
fronf the returns made by those who
surveyed the diffetent diftridls under the
authoriry of the boird.
for the Affo*fe fro*
Papers.
KATtOUAL COSJEKTIOJI
Septen»bcr 30.
Camtion in the hame of the commit
tee of finances gave an account of the
sums imposed and received in the Ne
therlands, as a!fo of the money arrived
in tiie national treat ny.
The convoy arrived on the 26th Sept.
delivered into the national treaiury
3,441,343 livi-esf it was the fevemh
transport which entered the rational
tieafnry. The to'al sum already paid
by the Belgians amounts to 13,359,404
livres paid partly in ingots partly in
French and foreign coins. The follow
ing i« an exact ftateinent of the quota
impoled on the principal towns and
ihows in the fault time the lums alrea- ;
■ received on account. |
Name of the Sum tmoo f ?d I'm J
places. Livres Sous, den
Brvfclt 5000,000 5000,000
/inluerpsn 10,000,00s l& i i,Blo
Mechlen i<-oocoo 1160,076 6 9
Liege 50. jqo 300000
O'tftJ ' 7000,000 x 445,16 al4 5
Oudtnardt 500,600 4.!»997 411
Lou-vain 4,00c000 1,50 1 >93j t 4 7
Namur 5,000,000 127,551 17 7
Toiirnaj 4.000,000 320,000
sllott tmd
A'.wotv 4,000,000 190,505 14 7
Mont 1,640.875 *,i<J;„6,}o
150,000 150,000
linages 4,000,900 Paid nothing jet
OJlende 1,000,000 ditto
Yprei 1,000,00 ditto
Caurtray 3,000,000 ditto
Hits Quota not Jlipulatedyet.
Paid 116,171 a 9
The operations of the representatives
in Belgium we not bounded to the le
vying of money ; thry fend to France
i-'very object ufeful to' the arts, the irt
ltrudtion of the French, and the far
bricji*; they are even occupied with
the (ale of the national domhins which
has alieady begun.
The national tueafury has a!To receiv ;
ed intelligence from the agent charged j
with the operations of the fame kind in
the electorate of Treves, " that he has
made a remittance to the pay master
general of.the Mofelk ; the amount of
the sum tranl'miited is livres j
6 sous 5 den. paid psrtly on account of j
the 3000,000 livr,es, imposed on the i
country of/Treves, and partly anting
from particular captures. The Eledto
tal Throne accompanies the above con
voy ; hint tilts or furniture being
of 110 ufe,in a republic, as the example
which you have given by punifhiijg the
tyrant, mult fine as a lefil>» to the am-
lhow them Ik>v\' dangerous '
it ir;tor'm.-vctnr-,, w on-u, whatever !
titie it may be, we Hiall fend its" gold .
and filwi ornaments to the national j
crucible." ' i
On motion of Bourdon De L'Oifc, the
Convention authorized the Committee of
general f» etv, to decide on the detentions
pronounced by judgment of the different
tribunal* to tht peace, bin only til! the 17th
August, 1795, on tliofe ordered for ful'pi
cion.
Oil. a.
In order to fix hereafter the public opinion
Tbibaudot proposed, to frame an address
to the French people, 1 in whirh the prin
ciples of Hepublicar.s ought tobeexpofed
in 1 iimple, positive and diftincl a manner.
Then, laid he, you will iie the whole na
tion r.dlyinground those principles. You
will have a touchftonetcxiiftinguifti those,
who wifli lincerely the triumph of liberty,
irojri intriguers and knaves. If any body
should dare afterwards to profefs in a po
pular society or elsewhere principles op
posed to those, prorfri.ined by the Nation
al Convention, he would loon bedifcoun—
tenanted by univerial fholita of
tion. The afitmbly charged its three,
committees, to frame an address to that
effed>.
Luloi in the name of the committee of
public fafety, read fevi*ral dispatches. On
one fide, the rapture of Aix-la-Chapelle,
the inveftnient of Maeftricht,the rear of the
Anilrians defeated ; and in another quar
ter, considerable a.'.Vantages gained by the
army in Italy. The army of the Rhine
fuflered a check, but orders art already giv
en to repair ;t. Thirty prizes carried into
our ports, besides nine fhipe of the enemy
funk.
Semtthing liie the truth atlajt.
[From the Aurora.]
Parties jn France.
From the cloud of mutilated exiradts.
of length* and unintelligible details
from Frcnch pa pent.chiefly republifhed
in our gazettes from London prints, it
isimpofiible to c<H< ft an jdea of the slate
ofpaitics in Fraiicf. The following
remaiks are m a careful pcru
fal of a fen'es of late Paris papers.
Since the d<a:h of Robespierre the
politics of that country have taken
quite a new afpeft. Under his reigti
and that of his partisans the mo't com
plete del/ >tiim under the name ofli
b«rtjr esiiled ; terror was the conftnnt
> order of the f
press was anmhilated, and
Jom ot opiuion in the bosom
Con vent iba wa, loft ; the s y st em Jf/*
Had takes lb deep a roo't that n
was the only condition on which thj
ed totLe lyftetn held their i *
The system of tyranny even extended to
private .ntercourfe, and no man w„f a L
who ventured, even in convrrf a ,j fm ,
drop a word unfavorable to the clia »
ter of the tyrant, of his abettor,, 6r "
opposition to their meafHies. Da. 1 »
this sketch may appear, it i| the
people of this country
much deceived ih their ideas of this
man's pohc,, during it, prevalence i
the acts of blood and injustice heeom.
mitted, from an idea of the purity of ),jj
character (he was not ambitious of
nshes, bin certainly he was of po* fr )
were conlidcred as acts of neceflm r j.
gotir, all calculated to secure the foun
dations of the revolution, apd ultimate,
iy tending to the public good. ]. w
dreamed, that they were links iuaihain
—a deep laid plan of usurpation wniij)
if it had been iuccefsfijlly executed
would have been fatal, perhaps, to tie
liberties of Fiance. But the exeutt on
was impoflible,—the light wiiich the
revolution in its progress I,<« already
thrown on the minds of the yreat rnji
of the French nation, mini d°efcnt every
attempt to enslave them permanently,
though they might be milled for a
time.
Infuhited individuals In and outoftht
convention, at the period we have descri
bed dared not declare against the tyrant)
the attempt seemed certain death.
Tallien, however, seizing a favours,
ble moment, was bold enough to d».
nounae li ra, and the reeoil of public hi.
tred did the reft. With Robefpierrc,
however, the system of terror appean
not to have been buried; it no dotiU
received a deep wound; but though n< t
now predominant, it has many adv<>.
c -tes. It was attempted to be revivid
forcibly by fomenting an inftirredion in
Marseilles and Lyons ; but the plot l,;|
been crushed in embryo by the fii'mnrii
of the constituted authorities.
Not discouraged by this check, the
favourers of the system aie busily em.
ployed in effecting its revival by more
gradual and perhaps surer means! Bil
laud Varennes, who may be confidercd
not only as one of the greatest fieiidi
to the system, but the n oft capable of
bringing about its refurreftion, with
Duliem, Barrere and others are uling e
very endeavour to encrcafe their influ
ence, already great, in the popular foci
cty of Paris, in order to p i vert the
; principles ai>d nature of the inftitutioit,
i toJmaag-thr ir ambitious or milhiken
'■ viowa.
They are combated on ( the other
hand, by the friends tn principles,tlinfe
who were fiocere in the overthrow of
i the tyrant, not th'ofe who toi k part a
gainst him when they saw his fall, and
abandoned him only to avoid being in
volved in his ruin. These, among whom
Freron stands diftinguilhed, advocate
theabfolute liberty of the prefj, while
the Jacobins wifti it reft rifted j feat ing ■
the full blaze of truth : No featine in
their opposition can better characterize
each party. It can scarcely be Bdoubt
which wiß prevail, they aie at piefent
both extremely powerful ; but the free
difcufllon of public measures which it
now afforded in and out of the Conven
tion, "bids fair to secure the preponde
rance to those who are firm to princi
ples, for thro* that free difi uffion truth
and principles mull prevail.
UNITJED STATES.
PITTSBURGH, Nov. 20.
GENERAL ORDERS.
The heads of departments are re
quested to beftovr every poflible atten
tion to the fair and immediate liijuioa
tion of all demands against the t'nited
States for the fubfiftencc 2nd ot ' ,rr
charges uppertianing to the army — 111
the execution of this important duty
they will be governed uniformly by the
ftriiftift regard to equity, always pre'
ferring in dubious cases the individu d •
right, if marked by particu.arcircum
ftances of damage.
In the payment of ferriages for any
part of the army baggage, a ftffl 6>ll*
adequate for the life of the boats spd
hands employed therein is to fce V :vcr "
and not the ettablifhed rates per
and wheel.
The supplies rf protifior? and fora?«
which cat ikit be readily transported t«
the camp of the tfoops, dellined to
continue during the winter, niuft •
fold tor, and on account of the Unufd
States.
The commanding officers of the e
vera! (late lines compoling tbeartny> a,e
required immediately to make returns