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AGE DOESN'T MATTER) BUT
YOUNG LOVE IS SHALLOW,
HERGESHEIMER ASSERTS
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At left Madge Bellamy,
well-known in girlish roles
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Frem Helen of Trey te the Present Day
Most of the Great Feminine Figures
of Drama, Seng and Story Have
Been Women of Fully Developed
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Grew old along with me,
The beat is yet te be.
THUS sanjr the Peet Brewninp te radiant youth and' sober middle age,
and distinguished creators of heroines agree.
A national contest which was held recently gave rise te discussion
of the ideal age for a heroine. In 27,000 novels and scenarios submitted,
the average age of the heroine was twenty-eight.
What is the ideal age for a heroine?
Is the sophistication of thirty mere fascinating than the blush and
bloom of eighteen?
Dees the poise of the woman outshine the prettiness of the girl?
These questions were asked of. several of the foremost writers and
students of books. They agree, en the whole, with Browning; but they
disagree with one another in many respects,
A. Edward Newton, book lever,
book collector and writer, and Miss
Agnes Rcpplier, the essayist, say
that thirty is unquestionably the
best age for heroines.
Dr. William I. Hull, head of the
department of history at Swarth Swarth Swarth
more College, cites the great her
oines of history as mature women.
Geerge Gibbs, novelist, dissents.
A woman of twenty-three can be a
heroine, he insists.
And Jeseph Hergesheimer, the
creator of "The Three Bad Pennys"
and the recent "Cytherea," declares
that any age can be interesting, in
asmuch as it portrays the forces of
life and reactions te these forces.
It docs net matter whether the
character is young or old, although
he says the elder person reacts in a
mere complex and interesting way.
When the question of the ideal
age for a heroine was put te Mr.
Newton he was sitting in his office
atop a machinery factory, quite dif
ferent from the boekshelved rooms
in which one would imagine an in
tellectual companion of the great
authors would be found.
"I agree with Balzac," he began;
'a woman is in her prime when she
is thirty.
"It is only real old men like my
self who fall in love with young
thing3 like you," and Mr. Newton's
eyes twinkled at his visitor.
Older Women Cannier
in the Game of Leve
"The elder woman knows hew te
play up te a man. In the game of
love the young girl thinks only of
the fun she is having; the elder
woman considers the man's inten inten
teonsand keeps him guessing.
"Get me?" he asked with a
rhuckle.
"The elder woman," Mr. Newton
continued, "has as much Are as the
young girl, and in addition she
knows hew te direct it.
"A woman isn't worth hugging
until she is thirty," he declared sol
emnly. With tl:ls statement he turned his
attention tn the pages of literature.
"Shakespeare's) Juliet," he resumed,
"Was very young, but Itnllnn, Cuban
and Hpnnlsh girls mnture early."
Jnne Austen's Emma Is Sir. New
ton's favorite heroine; Becky Sharp
his oeceid favorite.
Ills telephone rnng; some one called
te tell hlm-nbeiit a book en Bacchus.
"Bacchus," Mr. Newton called jok
ingly ever the wire, "has geno out of
style," and he hung up the retvcr.
This occasioned a new trend te the
discussion. "De you think smoking and drink
ing enhance, the modern woman's
charm?"
"Indeed net." Mr. owten replied.
"Ne man really likes te see a woman
drink.
"Women need no superfluities te
ale themselves attractive," he con
cluded with jeuthful enthusiasm.
Mlbs Reppller was found in her
fipaitmcnt en Clinten street. The chairs
find pictures of the reception room were
covered with cheesecloth, defying the
dust of buimncr months from the depths
of their veiled security.
Miss Iteppllcr confirmed her visi
tor's deduction that she was going
way for the summer. Hut she has n
great deal of work te de yet, she snld
getting together books mid notes that
Plie wants te take with her. Fer this
veman oiie of the foremost essnylsts
e' the day never discontinues her study
and research, even In the vacation
months.
Pointing te the books which lined In
is the age of Us most enthralling hero
ines'" "Most assuredly the elder women are
the mere enthralling figures," Miss
Ilcppcllcr answered.
"Of course," she continued, "there Is
the old novel of adventure In which the
heroine is young because she doesn't
count for anything. She Is just some
body for the here te fnll In leve with.
Toke, for Instance, Scott's 'Qucntin
Durwnrd.' There the girl has 'black
hair and eyes,' and doesn't amount te
much.
Development Is Vital
te Nevel of Character
"But in the novel of character the
woman Is always elder, because years
develop character. Her conversation, an
Indispensable element in writing, is
mere Interesting and mere varied.
"Her outlook en life, based en mere
experiences, both happy and tragic, is
mere compelling than the simple out
look of the girl. She has mere knowl
edge of the world and mere knowledge
of men and women.
"Of course, In the novel of passion
It Is the elder woman, because her pas
sions ere far dceprr.
"Bccky Sharp." Miss Reppller ex
plained, with added zest, "begins her
quest in Thackeray r 'Vanity Fair,
when fihe Is young, but she gets better
and better ns she becomes elder," and
the essayist's blue eyes shone with real
enjoyment at the thought of this hero
ine. "Yeu like Becky Sharp then?"
"She Is the belt heroine in fiction, I
would say. She Is a real adventuress.
She is possibly the very first woman in
English fiction te conquer by means
of bcr intellect. And nobody that has
come after her quite equals her.
"The heroines In the French novels
nnd plays are Invariably married," said
Miss Reppller, "and of course are elder
women.
Miss Iteppllcr was asked about
American novels.
The novels of Howells, she said, deal
with girls. Beeth Tnrklngten, she
cited, was a successful example of the
author who portrays girls in IiIb stories.
'he heroine of "Alice Adams." the
novel which was awarded the Pulitxer
Prize this year, is just a girl. -
Then Miss Reppller closed her dis
cussion briefly, as is her characteristic
vay after careful consideration of a
subject has ena'ilcd her te form an
opinion of Its p sslbllltles.
"The most atl acttve thing the world
has te offer,"' sh stated tn a tone thai
Inspired lively anticipation of what the
la tn
'thing'
lie young mnrrled
. "i"n f V ine DOOKS ?Mc lined the
lr end of the room, under the shroud
ed PilniW the rUlter asked : ,
h u iuib jert ei literature, what
was,
woman.
"She Is the most attractive thing
Imaginable. She Is mere assured, is
much mere handsome, and has many
mero Ideas. They arc fresh, refresh
ingly fresh Ideas, because she has lived
through mere experiences."
Great Women in History
Had Reached Maturity
If the great heroines of fiction are
elder women, what of the heroines who
live in history?
What, for instance, of Cleopatra,
the fascinating Queen of Kgypt, who
made the mighty Julius Caesar her
helpless slave, and later bent the will
of the famous Reman, Mark Antony,
even mero completely te her will than
she had that of Caesar.
The fate of nations meant little te
these rulers in comparison with the
wish of one woman.
Of Cleopatra, Shakespeare said:
Age cannot wither her, nor custom
stale
Her Inllnlte variety.
The history nnd literature of ancient
Egypt and Heme nre full of her irre
sistible beauty and charm.
Her ace was twenty-one at the time
of her affair with Caesar, uml twenty
three at the time of her romance with
Antony.
Hut Dr. Hull points out that this
age Is equivalent te thirty years In
northern climes, and that Cleopatra
was mere than a girl hi physical and
Intellectual development.
In the Bible there Is Delilah, the
Philistine beauty, who ensnared the
mighty Samson and brought him te
an untimely end. One of the most
beautiful operas ever written, countless
novels, poems and dramas, and ninny
palntlugs and pieces of stntuary, have
been inspired by her career.
The Queen of Sheha enmeshed the
heart of Solemon, though he had 000
wives, nnd every oue today knows of
her dazzling beauty.
Frem the New Testament Snleme Is
remembered through all the centuries
for her unsuccessful attempt te be
guile Jehn the Buptlst, and for the
part she took In the orgies In the
Ipuiuce ei iifTeuinH.
iieincr s mini, una vi me worm b
greatest epics, sings of Helen of Trey,
whose .matchless beauty was the indi
rect cauBemf theTrefm War.
'All thuu wnmemBBrhe hava lait an
tlen nnd memory of centuries, were ma
ture," said Dr. Hull.
He paused as he turned the pages of
voluminous books of history in his
study.
"I should say that where women
achieved greatness In history becausu of
an Inspiring vision nlone they were
young," he remarked. ".Tenn of Arc,
for Instance, who led the French people
te victory in the 100 years' war, was
only nineteen.
"Hypntln, the heroine of philosophy,
who was stoned te death because she
was the first woman te dare te enter
the world of learning, was young.
Women of Deeds in
History Were Mature
"The women whom history heralds
because of their deeds rather than their
visions are elder women.
"Elizabeth. England's greatest queen,
ascended te the throne when she was
twenty-seven. Her many love affairs
followed. An entlre book has been
written about them. '
"Her nieit celebrated affair de ceeur,
with the Duke of Leicester, whom she
did net meiry because she felt her sub
jeets would net tolerate the union,
reached Its height when bhe was thirty.
"Mme. de Pompadour, In her prime,
dominated the reign of Leuis XV in
France. Fer years she reigned supreme
fit Versailles, the real power behind the
throne.
"Catherine II, Empress of Russia,
called the 'Cleopatra of the North,'
came te her threne when she was
thirty-three.
"At the sarae age, Napeleon's first
wife, Jesephine, married htm."
Dr. Hull closed the history books and
said : "Kemain history celebrates the
matrons. Cernelia Is the proverbial
Ideal of Reman womanhood. When
a newly rich lady came te see her, be
decked in costly robes. Cernelia called
her two sons nnd said: 'These arc my
two jewels.
"American history celebrates the
women of deeds: Betsy Ress. Barbara
Frltchle, Susan B. Antheny, Lucretla
Mett, Frances Wlllard, Harriet Beecher
btewc.
"It is the woman of deeds, whether
ncr deeds ere the result of strengtb of
mind or fascination of person, who ap
pears en the pages of history, and that
Is why history Is peopled with elder
women lnstend of mere girls."
Frem Swarthmere the seeker nfter
knowledge went te the University of
Pennsylvania.
In the psychology laboratory she
found Prof. E. B. Twitmyer.
"De young men prefer elder women?"
he was besought.
"Men don't llke women of any one
age," Prof. Twitmyer answered. "Men
like women with ideas. If young girls
have Ideas men like them
"I'll tell you something," the psy
chologist went en, confidentially,
"when the boys here nt Pennsylvania
have a special dauce or prom they send
home for their girls, nnd often these
girls nre very plain and unattractive
In appearance, but when you talk te
them you find they nre sensible and at
tractive te boys who are thoughtful.
"Beys in their inner consciousness
leek upon girls in the light of their
ideal of full-grown womnnheod.
"Men llke women with Ideas but
very few young girls have ideas."
New the theatre I
Surely the stagn Is the place where
3011th Is at a premium.
Heroines of Successful Plays
Thirty Years Qld or Mere
A critic of the theutru reviewed a
list of the recent plajs. Fifteen of the
most successful w-cre found te have
heroines of thirty years or mere.
"Wuko Up, Jonathan," in which
Mrs. Flske played "Dcelussce" with
Ethel Barrymore In the lending
role; "Only Thirty-eight," with Mary
Rynnj "The Czarina," with Deris
Kcanc these were all built around
women of mature age.
"The Famous Mrs. Fair" centered
about a woman of forty.
"The Uriuul liuke" had two leading
ladles, a girl and the mother of this
girl's sweetheart. The niethur was un-
(UPHuannjiy tne mero attractive. She
was uwaru ei me ceuiuct of forces, nnd
faced them. The girl, unconscious of the
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annum hit, iiiprriy ll puppet.
Ill "Bleed and Hand," the vnmplre
was a woman In her thirties.
"Intimate .Strangers" showed Blllle
Burke believing that her nnw.frum.i
lever would full for her snnnuv mum.
niece, but nhe lenrned In the end Hint
her own developed character had full
claim en his heart.
"The Clrcle" "Enter Madame,"
",The Varying here.'.' none of thtse
is a play about a young girl.
WHa mintfnn. It iiT .. m..i.j
With the woman, of thirty tb,, Ideal j
heroine. The quest for the
heroine appeared at an end.
With such thoughts the investigator
lifted the knocker en the studio deer
of Mr. Glbbs. writer and nrtist, author
of 'Tellow Deve," "Gelden Bough,"
and ether novels.
The deer opened Inte a room where
this gentleman was pnlnting the likeness
of a beautiful girl. He listened te the
first question with poised brush,
"The minimum limit for the age of a
heroine 1b twenty-three," he suld.
This was Interesting!
"Be you think a girl of that age can
be a heroine?"
"Absolutely," Mr. Glbbs answered.
"Te be sure, some of the heroines in
my books are younger than twenty
three seme are eighteen. But that Is
net because I prefer women of that
age, but because they fitted Inte the
scheme of things In the books at the
time.
"NevellBts have phases. They study
different aspects of life at different
times. The flapper has been a passing
phasa in American life, nnd the nove
list, Inasmuch as he should record
life and history, should record the flap
per in his novels.
"Youth has asserted Itself since the
war, and Its Independence Is thoroughly
Interesting."
Mr. Glbbs rose from his chair, turned
a couple of pictures and wnlked back te
his canvas. Leaning evor the hulf
finlshed picture, he mused:
"Life is llke nrt. Peeple decry
all the new fads in painting, but they
have a tiemcndeus effect en art. Thcsu
fads, though they psn away as distinct
entities. Introduce; color nnd life Inte
art. The linpper has done just tills
thing in life."
Mr. Gibbs does net bclleve In "the
business" of fascination for n woman.
He thinks that charm and fascination
uru part of a well-rounded life, but
thnt the Ideal woman is oue who at
tends te her home nnd famlll-. His
favorite heroine In literature At Lernu
Deene.
Again he was seated In his chair,
this tlnie In a medltaflve mood.
"I don't fee hew any ene can say
that any age will make the enduring
heroine," he said. "I de believe that
the girl makes ritetter' heroine than the
elder woman. vr;"
,BuWfrtucienXt.etrrjr,Wi
Lila Lee, over
flowing with
vitality of the
'teens
' ';'nlEp t lakh wd umx3
Mary Garden as Cleopatra
romance ; brains nre necessary, tee. Bnt
girls have brains, ns they showed in tha
way they tackled tasks during the war."
Paramount Issue Is
Reaction te Life
Mr. Hergesheliuer disagrees with all
the protagonists of an ideal age for n
heroine. He does net believe the age
is eighteen, or thirty. In sbnrr. ha
says en individual n an lndiwdual in
a book dues net interest him. Only
ns rne individual reacts te the forces
of life Is he or she interesting te him.
He discussed the question nt his
home at West Chester, where his lively
dogs romped en the lawn, where charm
ing friends were gathered in the living
room, nnd where the quiet of n deeply
cushioned den, looking ever the hill
which flepen te the read, gives retreat
for meditation.
"I am .just as much Interested Is
any one woman in my books ns in
another, he said. "Any character has
her plnce in a book. The question of
a herolne Is a different matter.
De you knew what 'heroine'
means? he asked. nnd stepped
abruptly in his pacing up nnd down
befere the fireplace.
t. "A,J"70lnc"'" he pursued. "Is net
the chief character in the book, but
the one who conquers In the end. Anna
Kareulna is an ernmple of that
"All geed honks nie fatalistic. 'The
woman does net conquer n the end:
llfe conquers life N the heroine'
"Diana of the Cressys might hn
called n heroine, but It is u cool use
of a heroine.
"Life it,. Innser is n matter of get
ting married nnd having children "
Thru lid net require much discussion,
".New the whole thing, even love,
has been elevated te the plane of an
art. It takes a long while te express
these things. Therefore, elder women
with mere conscious feeling are mere
chnrmliig.
Youth Incapable of Real
Leve, Says Hergcsheimer
"Leve in a jeunc person U r,finni.i
clasR of girls under twenty Is vir
uully uniform. 'J'hev full ln'ln.. .i
net nccei.liiig te Instinct Individual
directive force develops after twentv.
"A young person fnlln in lvn i.',.
ewini; te the faulty economic conditions
of the picseiit day she cannot mnrry.
the eung fellow whom t,hc loves. And
w, ui" iiiiiiiiiu 11 uiiectcu ns n teuii
pernry thing, and becomes artificial, t"
"Don't jeu thing se?" Mr. Hergesi
helmet' added In n characteristic way,"
ns he stepped short te punctuate tbs
emphatic Indictment which he had
placed en our economic organization
Mr. Hergeshelmer arrnn hlmiui!
firmly against the idea of a wemsij
"plnlng up te a man." "s-
"That Is vulgar," he snld. "Flna"
people don't de It. Fine people want
te Improve themselves for these they,
love, but they de net de this ethe
thing."
Thejj, In conclusion, Mr. Ilcrges-
"Yeung people nre Interesting as'V
whole In that they show group reac
tion te fercci. llut elder women ar'
mero interesting becnuse they show in
dividual reactions- which have grewa
our hi n ricner experience) of life. '
"The difference between the girl arid
the elder woman," said Mr. Herges
helmer. pointing a finger straight g
his visitor, "is the difference betWMft
a penny whistle nnd w twe-htraeui
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