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WO German officials Von Wocller, and Von Sandt, commandant at Mnllncs wcic witnesses of Hid long unci
candid interview between the Cardinal and Von der
Iancken-Wakcnitz, was admirably equipped for his post at the head of the political depaitmcnt of the government
of occupation.
He was an adroit and experienced diplomat and had served for ten years as counselor of thn Grrrnun em
bassy in Paris. His French was impeccable and he was n master of soveral other languages, although ho did not
like to speak English. Personally he was a much more ingratiating man than Von Bissing, and ho took nn artistic
dejight in subtleties of urgument, for which the Governor General had little taste.
Tho keen, blue-eyed, well-groomed, handsome Von dcr Lancken was, of course, thoroughly impregnated with
Prussian standards of government and conduct. His rigidity of principles was unmodilied by any sentimentality, but
his acute mind was constantly prodding him to demonstrate what ho regarded as the logic of tho German con
tentions. This penchant drcv him into protracted discussions with the Cardinal, which sometimes widely departed from
tho immediate questions at issue. At one time the priest and the diplomat explored the pros and cons of Kantian
philosophy.
Mercicr was on familiar ground heir. As n professor in Louvnin University he had given much intellec
tual attention to Kant and long before the war ho squarely opposed the teachings of the German philosophers
which reached their mad maximum in Nictszcho's preposterous dictum "Be hard!"
In fairness to Von der Lancken, it should bo said that ho fully realized that liis antagonist was a master
of dialectics and possessor of one of the most brillant minds in Europe. In '!' presence of the Baron the Cardi
nal always stood erect and with folded arms and Von dcr Lancken, by the rules of courtesy, was thus prevented from
sitting down.
At their last session, just befoie tho armistice, the" diplomat came not as an argumentative commander, but
es a humble suppliant. He urged the Cardinal to use his influence to soften the treatment of the German stragglers
by the Belgians.
The primate promised help. Von dcr Lancken's ensc of dramatic values rose to tho situation. The Cardi
nal extended a hand withheld from his clever foe for more than four years. The Baron knelt and kissed tho epis
copal ring.
"Now I know," he reported at headquarters shortly afterward, "that Mercier is a great man."
Cardinal Merciers Story
Including his correspondence with the German
authorities in Belgium during the war, 1914 to
1918, edited by Professor Fernand Mayence of
Louvain University and translated by the Bene
dictine Monks of St. Augustine's, Ramsgate,
England.
Continuation of interview between Cardinal Mer
v xer and Baron von dcr Lancken.
(AND if I were a sedition monger, Baron, what a
- splendid game 1 might have played! What a
lovely subject for a sensational pamphlet to appear at
Paris or in London! In it I might have narrated the
antics at Malines and your preposterous repression of
the episcopal blessing and the mild gesture of my private
secretary. But I refrained; and just as you found me
unbending in carrying out my pastoral duties, so did
I desire to pass over merely personal incidents. I deemed
Jt prudent to retire for some days to l'Hermite in order
to withdraw from any likely manifestations of public
sympathy. With your preconceived ideas regarding me,
you imagined my retreat could have no other motive
than revolutionary projects."
"Oh! revolutionary, no."
"Substitute seditious. Sec, then, Baron, how the
alleged manipulation of the Belgian people's ill-will
toward you existed only in your imagination, and the
- 'indications of ferment are merely the intrigues of your
spies and tho fuss made by your inquisitors.
"The Belgian people are calm and patient, abiding
their time. There wore no francs-tireurs when your ar
mies invaded our territory. I trust there will be none
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Lancken. Iho latter, whose full title was Baron von dcr
when you beat your retreat. Only lately I had occasion
to address all the clergy of my dioceso assembled at
JIalines for the clergy retreat, and I urged them to
say to the people: The defense of our country must
be left to our army; it is not your task to make ir
regular assaults on the enemy. Do not by your rash
ness justify tho reproach that slanderous tongues
bi ought against you at the outbreak of hostilities.'
"Why, Baron, as to the heart of the Belgian people,
know that you hate not captured it, nor will you ever
do so. Let me say with all freedom and be not ruffled
by the apparent rudeness of my words, the Belgians do
you no evil and never will; but in their hcarto they hold
your rule in detestation. That is the truth, and after a
wholo year's experience, stnngc to say, you do not
seem to grasp it.
"Not rarely strangers, neutrals, Americans, Swiss,
pass through here, and then naturally the war and the
German occupation become the topic of discourse. Would
you like to know th5 unanimous opinion of foreigners
regarding you? The Germans, they say, have their
points assuredly, but they lack psychology.
"Is that the case? You believe the world to be
governed by abstract formulas?
"But We Arc Patient"
"You imagine that your method of ruling, suc
cessful a3 it may be in Germany, must needs succeed
here. You grossly deceive yourselves. I have spent
my life in teaching. In so doing I have learned that in
a young man's education you must first learn to know
him before applying formulas. To make laws and to
npply them are two different matters. You seem to bo
ignorant of these primary truths; hence your mistake.
Wc keep our hearts unsubdued, but we are patient.
nd what I said in the month of January to those who
c, "cto complain in the Governor General's name of
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HOLD YOU
my first pastoral, I repent to you today. It is by giving
our people the assutauce that Belgium is and will
remain a fico country that wo nro able to preach
patienco and to see that it is practiced in spito of you.
"I believe- I have thus met the first complaint
drawn up" against mo by tho Governor Gcnernl and I
have at tho sumo timo implicitly furnished nn answer
to tho second.
"2. Tho Governor finds there is a lack of agreement
between tho language of my pastorals and the kindly
disposition of which 1 gavo him nn nssuranco when ho
promised on his part to do all in Ms power to heal all
our wounds."
"Yes; tho Governor General complains of your
pastorals, also of tho commentaries, still more unre
strained, which certain members of tho clergy made
upon it."
That "Celebrated" Phrase
"I am pleased, Baron, that you call attention to the
commentaries which you say tho clergy htivo made on
my pastoral letters. 1 am nwaio that in different cir
cumstances you have repented this assertion that tho
clergy talk politics in tho pulpit, and you aio wont to
add: 'It is evident that In so doing the clergy obey nn
inspiration of the Cardinal's, since tho same phrase,
one of tho Cardinal's phrases, is repeated by all the
preachers.' Well, Baron, I should bo delighted to learn
what this cclebiated phraso is. One day my secretary,
M. Loncin, asked you for it-in my name nnd you aic
said to have answered: 'Oh! that is nn ancient story,
I should have to refresh my memory to satisfy you.'
Today, when I have 'he opportunity of seeing Vu '
person, I ask you again, What Is this oft-ropcatcn")
phrase?"
After a pause the Baron answered. "Oh! that is
past; I speak now of commentaries on your last pas
toral." "Bo it so; I do not mind discussing them, but 1
would like to know nil the same in what I have so
gravely sinned in the past."
A fresh pause, and the Baron uttered never n
word.
"I imagined it was understood that tho Governor
General would point out to tho bishops the complaints
ho had against the clergy.
"Be good enough then to tell me who tho priests
of my diocese nro that have made operations of a
seditious nature; where, when, and in what terms did
they make them?"
"I thought of bringing with me the 'dossiers'
which wc have at the Governor General's office in
criminating several -priests, but at tho last moment we
thought it more advisable not to discuss them."
"You will pardon mo, sir, for regarding .this pro
ceeding as strange. You incriminate tho clergy in my
presence, you come here for that purpose, and when I
request you to bring forward definite charges you reply:
'I am not bringing forward these charges in detail, as
I do not wish to discuss them.'
"In that case, all that remains for mo to do is to talk
about myself, of my feelings toward the Governor Gen
eral, and what I think of his attitude in dealing with
our country.
"My feelings have never varied, but you misunder
stand them.
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not a conquered country which you have the right, to
treat as your own: it is a belligerent nation which has
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"What you would 11 1) to say Is: 'Put asldo for tho
. moment all tho past nnd let us unite to work for tho
resurrection of the occupied country.' I know you hnvo
often used such language.
"But how can wo forget iho past, which is only
of yesterday? Tho ruins of our towns and villages
are still smoking, our churches hnvo been gutted our
families nro in mourning, our children in misery. But
the present, In which wo live, on account of which wo
suffer, springs fiom tins' past which your trcfops have
created for us.
"I know, Baron, that In nn Interview with'my sec
l clary, Canon Loncin, you wcro good enough to nc-.
knowledge that not one of the priests shot by your
armies at the time of invasion had been proved guilty.
I am pleased with this- overdue 'recognition of our in
nocence. But what hns been proved in tho case of our
priests will bo proved tomorrow, if you allow It, In tho
case of our massacred and imprisonpd civillnns. It is
just this investigation wo demand; and bo long an our
rights nnd the sincerity of our attitude hate not had due
recognition, between you nnd us no imdcratanding is
possible."
"Allegiance Goes Elsewhere"
"You would be quite wrong to doubt of the Gov
ernor General's kindly Intentions. I, who am nlways
near him and know him, can assure you that ho has
the sinccrest desire to do all ho can "or tho Belgians."
"I do not doubt tho Governor General's sincerity.
When I had the honor of seeing him, ho spoke with an
accent of sincerity which I believed then and believe
still. But between him and us there is n fundamental
misunderstanding. He would wish to see us submissive,
and wc claim the right to remain interiorily, in heart
and soul, unconqliered. We respect your external reg
ulations in so far as they are requisite for the main
tenance of public order; but our allegiance goes else
where. "Moreover, Baron, thero is a wide margin between
intention and notion. Facts badly correspond with
tho friendly sentiments of which you give us tho as
surance." "I assure you, you misunderstand Baron von Biss
ing." "But come; these condemnations, one after tho
other, of young men, of priests who have tried to cross
the frontier or have assisted others in tho attempt, these
condemnations to death, these shootings, etc.
nro thesci proofs of kindliness?"
"Oh! it must be so; wc cannot tolerate any breach
of military regulations."
"Be it so; it is necessary to a certain extent, in a
sense. That I understand and I do not blame you for it.
But good-will, or mere equity, would demand a milder
application of your regulations.
Attitude of German Army
"This is how wc understand your position: You are
a mighty power confronted with a very small country.
You have trampled our soil under foot without any in
vitation from us; and your own heads have acted as
spokesmen in declaring that ou were sorry to have to
invade our territory against your will, from necessity,
and that you wcro desirous to repair as soon as pos
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"Remembering the conditions under which yon
have taken possession of the greater part of our soil,
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make Belgium suffer as little as wc can; we will show
her all such consideration as Is consistent with the
needs entailed by our occupation of the country; for
when we come to think of it, she was not our .enemy,
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"Why then bar tho road so roughly against a few
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patriotic duty at their comrades' side?"
"But they would all go!"
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"And If they did nil go, whero Is tho great evil?
You boast of having 8,000,000 soldiers! What can a fow
hundreds, or let us say a few thousands, moro or less,
do ngninst you?"
"It Is not that; bcllovo mc, wo nro not afraid of
them." ' , ' -
"Very well then, wo nro agreed. You need not be
afraid of them. In that enso let them pass. Thoy tvIJI
bo practicing a virtue which you Germdna prizo nbovo
nil olhers, namely, military patriotism. It will, there
fore, bo a good thing. Then you will rid Belgium of
youths disgruntled, humbled and without work, who ntn
given moment I look at It from your own point of
view muy becomo turbulent and dangerous to public
order, which you wish and ought to. preserve. Loolf,
for example, at thoso young mpn from our universities
who nro champing tho bit In forced Inaction.- Would it
not bo a thousand times bettor for .them to bo at tho
front? Or at least, If you will not let them go, if you
think you ought to npply your military regulations In
their case, lot it bo so; arrest all you may succeed Iri
catching; prevent them from beginning their prairies
again, but I beg you not to treat them ns criminals.
"And if a bravo priest gives thoso dear young
fellows, of whom, after all, Belgium Is legitimately
pioud, some friendly advice, or puts them on tholr
road, or In general affords them help, is this sufficient
reason to imprison him, consign him to a dungeon, or
deport him?"
"Flame of Patriotism Alive"
"You admit yourself, then, that the 'clergy Is In
favor of stirring up tho young people."
"No, I do not admit that; but I praise tho clergy
for keeping tho flamo of patriotism alive and for not
refusing paternal assistance to a parishioner, a univer
sity man, or a workman who has tho courage to risk
his life to go and join our army. And, as we happen
to bo talking about tho clergy, will you allow mo to
speak to you in confidenco?"
"Yes, I am listening to you."
"I could be more precise In what I am about to say
by mentioning names, but discretion will not allow me
to reveal them to ypu. I refer to a personage, nnd no
one less than a member of your own entourage. To a
priest who expressed himself surprised at the frequency
nf arrests among priests and religious, this politician
answered: 'They arc revenging themselves on tho priests
for the attitude taken up by the Cardinal.' Is that good
will? Is that justlce7"
"Dear me; who can have said that?"
"You may ignore my copfidenco if you like; I have
no wish to impose on your credulity. But I assert that
I know tho person wo are talking about, and that the
priest to whom ho spoke, and who himself related this
tomo is absolutely a trustworthy witness."
"3. You were saying, Baron, that his Excellency
tho Governor General finds It difficult to reconcile my
habitual attitude with my frequent appeals to him in
favor of mjr countrymen. You have not, I beliove, ut
tered tho word ingratitude, but it is tho one which would
sum up this fresh complaint. Well, I am going to as
tonish you and, I fear, hurt your feelings."
"Not at all; say what you think." '
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Abbo Iteyn.
In a note signed with his own hand, the Abbe Itayn
asserts that in the cOurso of a conversation ho had with
Trimbom, ho heard tho latter declare that tho heavy
penalties inflicted on Belgian priests wero tho German
(lOvprnmonl'H roply to the Cardinal's activities.
To tho Superior oE tho "Aumonicrs du Travail,'"
who nbked for a reprieve for one o his priests who was
ill nnd half blind nnd who had been condemned to three
years' imprisonment, Trimborn replied that tho Cardinal
could easily obtain this favor, besides many others, If
ho would only go to Canossa and promise for tho
future to act differently vis-a-vis pi the German Gov
ernment. (CONTINUED TOMORROW)
' CovurtoM, 1B19, by Pvblio Ledoer Co.
CowrioM, Canada, 'tail. bv Publlo Ledger Co.
International Copyright, 101), by Publlo Ledger Co.
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