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,v,,y not? A. No. Mr Not the reports I
fill. They wf r typewritten.
Q And .limed by the .Uteftlvea? A. They
were llned by the detectives, ye. "".
Q Did I tht District Attorney rend ,.
ouT A, Ye sir: he did.
7 a pid ho nek you to Bet those reporta?
JL Why, he united mo to ko down to Mr
ifUh ami ) him to give me thoso re-
'qVH you do It7 A. I went down and
told Mm the District Attorney naked mo to
set those report. ...-.
Q What did he. say? A Io snid that
they were In the hands of the Mayor.
o Did you get them? A. No; t dldn t
o. Did you get
get Jhem.
Q. Did you talk
to the Mnyor about
o. What Is your recollection as to what
detecthes made the reports? A Why.
'Strange made all the UeStrango and
TValsh made all the reports to me.
Q. They were nc oniy i" m-..c
I X. Vs, to my recollection.
f o You think there were about slx7 A.
S Up to the 13th. ns near ns I can remember.
Q, Did you xnae ilium ,icion..j - .-
Mayor's secretary. A. Yes.
Q Have you seen these reportB since you
handed them to Mr. Smith? A. No', sir. I
don't know nnythlng about them.
Q. When you went up to see the Mayor s
secretary to get these reports at the re
ouest of the District Attorney, did you
demand them? A. Why, no, sir.
O Did you ask him to give them to
you? A. I told him Mr. Itotiyi wanted them.
Q. And he said they were In the hands
f the Mayor? A. Yes, Blr. .
Q. Did you ask the Mayor for them? A.
Q Did you report to Mr. District At
torney Nolan what the Mayor's secretary
raid to you? A, I don't remember whether
1 did or not. .
Q What? A, I can not say whether I
did or not. I told him I told Mr. Smith
that ho wanted the reports.
Q Now, Mr. Souder, I want to be frank
with 6u. A. 1 wnnt to be frank with you
Q. I have no reason to doubt It. Did you
aV to Mr. Itntan two ilnya afterward when
y cum tn von rfn'n and nsked you why
rou had not brought hlin the reports
didn't juu say hat you had not asked for
them? A. I did not ask Mr. Smith.
Judge Gordon questioned Detective Souder
iharply to bring out nn admission that
witness had not asked the Mayor per
sonally for vice squad reports made In tho
Fifth Ward by Detectives Le Strange and
Walsh, as he Is alleged to have promised
District Attorney Itotan today. Souder
testified that he had told the Mayor's secre
tary, Joseph Smith, the District Attorney
- wanted these reports covering conditions In
the ward prior to the primaries, but had
not asked the Mayor for th6m ns requested,
although he admitted halng seen the
Mayor nearly every day. Judge Gordoi
then asked:
Q, After tho receipt of those reports did
you talk to the Mayor about tho conditions
In the Fifth Ward nB reported by those
reports? A. Not on the question of the
report. The Mayor talked to be about the
Fifth Ward and nsked me what tho condl
' tlons were down there, and from the time
that I had the men down there and from
the verbal reports from the men from time
to time there had been nothing down there
except where they told me that there was
a very heated political scrap between th.
two factions, nnd 1 made that report to
the Mayor, and there was actually a very
hard contest down there; that those people
down there were having n very, very cx
cltable political contest between the fac
tions, v Q. Is that all you meat to say that thorn,
reports reported to you? A. Only some of
those reports were statements in a matter
of factr most of them were statements
from people that had claimed to be nbused
by-
i Q. Reports of citizens who claimed to
hac been nbused by the police ctllcers? A
Yes
Q. Ueaten with blackjacks ; Is that so?
A. I think one of them.
Q. Weren't there more than one? A. The
f reports mostly were statements from peo-
Pie
Q. Of abuse by the police? A Yes.
Q. Did you express your opinion of con
ditions down there to the Mayor? A. No,
lr,
in Q. Did you form any official-opinion tn
your mind as to the conditions down titers?
Jl. Yes.
Q. What was It? A. My opinion Was
tthat the factions there that had always been
friends had separated, on account of the
'condition existing of having two factions
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man
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a machine
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S. O. S. calls like that arc
coming in frequently these
days. It is a signal for help
which the Controlled-key
Comptometer answers.
t It answers the Bookkeep
er's call for relief from the menial
brain task of handling figures.
It answers the same caU'from the Bill
Clerk, 'the Cost Clerk, the Auditor, the
Cashier everyone'whose mental energy
IS beintr Wasted on fimire wnrk nnr nnlv
f Addition, but Mult'plication, Division,
'' . and SllKtrnrftrr no iir11 '
It answers the Manager's call for
I accurate results more economical serv
ice. ft 'answers the call of short-handed
offices where night work and overtime
; arc necessary to keep even ,
Felt 8c Tarrant Manufacturing Co., 1713-35 N. Paulina St., Chicago
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CONTROLLED-KEY
?" I''8 Carey and one the Deiitsch. and
that they were a lot of people of good, and
bad elements, and that they were doing
everything they possibly could for one and
the other factions.
,. Q- Xf, but what was your opinion as to
the pojlce conditions there? A. My opinion
as to the police conditions? t saw nothing
there myself personally,
Q. I didn't ask you whether ou saw nnv
tning personally. A. Nor any reports made.
, " Yu did not? A. That would show a
Condition,, except In those complaints. In
the statements of those people against Homo
specific policeman.
Q. Didn't you form an opinion from tho
r.ep2Jl!" n" ,0 tn l,ollcc conditions there?
A. Thit Is In a general way?
Q. In a general way, yes. A. No, 1 did
not.
Q Were you not examined by the Dls
trlct Attorney, nnd were you not nsked by
htln ns follows; (Heading) "Q. You must
have formed nn opinion from your lnostl
gatlon," nnd did you not say. "What good
Is my opinion?" A. I said that, yes.
Q. Just wait until I slop. You said, "What
good Is my opinion?" I want to know
what It is, anyway. A. Mr Itotan. I don't
know. I don't know whether It would Im
press jou or not
Q. You might tell me nnd let mo de
cide for myself what opinion you form from
tho reports you found. A. Hn far h ihi
are pemonnlly concerned I might vxpremi
my opinion, privately hut not publicly. If
I were the. rhlef of poller, whether It might
be the Director or the Major or the Super
intendent, I would not lime tolerated It.
Mr. Connor. Wnlt now; I object to thu..
If your Honor plenc.
The Court. Why?
Mr. Connor. I object to It, first, because It
Is cross-examination of his own witness,
nnd, secondly, because, the opinion of this
witness Is not material here. It Is not a
question of whU Is his opinion. It Is n ques
Hon of n statement of facts and conditions
existing there, and his opinion is entirely
Immaterial.
The Court Dascd uimn, as I understand
It. the reports of people whom he sent down
there.
Mr. Connor If the court please. It Is not
asking this man for what he stated to the
Mayor, his opinion was. or what he stated
to nny of these defendants, his opinion was,
but he is now being nsked what his private
opinion was.
Mr. Gordon Not his private opinion.
His ofllclal opinion
The Court His ofllclal opinion.
Mr. Connor All right, III official or III
prhnte opinion, hut hi Individual opinion.
I submit that thin wltnrxi ban been frank
nnd fair here.
CALLS SOUDKU "SHIFTING"
The Court 'Mr. Connor, I do not think
he han been
Mr, flimlon May It plenne your llonoi,
I am ohllged to go Into (lie polite depart
ment tn cct thin testimony. This iniin In
Mibject tn illnmlimnl liy the Major of the
city, nnd tlr.it Major, Tlinnmt II. Smith,
hit st thin' linr, tiring henrd for a high
crime. I limit ro to IliU mini tn get this
testimony. It U nlulniiN to -J our llnnot
that he In hlftln, Hint he dnen not npetk
frankly of the fnctn, nnd he nits looking
Into the ejen of the Mnjnrf who hnn hln of
ficial life In hln liandn. I nnk your Honor,
therefore, to let me nnk him whnt nnnuern
he gne to the District Attorney In the Din
trlct Attorney's office, the District Attorney
nn otllrlnt of the Cominnnueiilth, when
the Major wan not there, and when lie gave
hln opinion of the police conditions In the
Fifth Wnrd, differing from nhnt he now
nnjn In his chair facing the Mnyor.
Mr. Heltler If your Honor please I lune
known Detective Souder for n great many
yenrs. If I nm not mistaken, Detectle
Souder wa" n detective when I' was Director
of Public Snfetj. Weren't you?
The Witness Not n detective.
Mr. Heltler You were a patrolman I
don't believe there Im a man on the force
that ranks higher In Integrity nnd In the
confidence of his superiors than this man.
He was selected because tho Mayor had
'confidence In him. He is not. his official
life Is not. at the rail or the whim or tho
heck of the Mayor. He Is an amply pro.
tccted ns Judge Gordon would find If he
tend the rext of the Ilullltt bill, ns n man
"nn possibly be. He Is the Commonwealth's
l ne'H and the Commonwealth has no
r'ght tn cross-examine him. Hut let Judge
Gordon give him the reportH thnt Were sent
!y the Mnyor tn Jit. Itotan. If ho wants to
"xamlne him on the reports.
Mr. Gordon May It please your Honor,
the learned gentleman, I suppose, arose to
give Mr. Souder a certlflcnte of character
that ho was on the force In the Police De
gggilB
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It answers the urgent call of busi
ness everywhere regardless of kind or
size for that guiding information which
only analysis of, figure records will
give.'
Put in .an S. O. 8. call for a Comp
tometer man.
He'll be prepared to demonstrate in
a practical way how the Comptometer
plus the Controlled-key helps hold' the
line with a shortened office force. '
(-.
EVENING' "LEDGER-PHliiADBLPHIA, THURSDAY, OCTOBER I 1917
partment, when Judge Ueltler was th Di
rector or Public Safety.
I know that I know that he has so
trimmed lils sails nnd lived his official In,
thnt he hns been enabled to keep Vila Job
Under every administration from Ashbrldge
nnd Iteyburti down to the present. Probably
he has a good personat character. Hut the
fact that he has retained that position dur
ing nil those administrations docs not Indi
cate hln official character. Quite the re
verse. Do you object to the question?
Mr. Heltler. I understood his Honor ruled
on It.
Mr. Scnrlet. It was already ruled before
you t.poko at all. '
Mr. Gordon. A voice from, Danville. What
do you say about It7 You represent the
Mayor.
The Court 1 overruled tho objection of
Mr. Connor.
Uy Mr. Gordon Q. Did you not say I
will resume leading tho answers JSo far
as you nre personally concerned, I might
express my opinion prlwitely, but not pub
licly. If I were the chief of police, whether
It might be the Director or the Mayor or
the Superintendent, I would not hnvo tol
erated It. Why? Uecnuse of the fact that
men were brought Into their district there.
What was it they did? The statements of
the people who made the complaints show
they beat them. They cuffed them and
they arrested them Illegally. While side
was bentcn? The Dcutsch people were the
people who were beating the Cnrey people,
nccordlng to the stntements. I guess your
opinion Is the Bntne as mine." District At
torney: "All the evidence you heard tell of
points to tho same thing?" , "Yes, sir."
"Did ou make nny, written report to the
Mayor outside of tho reports the men made
to you?" "Xo. I Just turned the reports
ocr to him." "Without comments of your
own?" "I made no comments " Is thnt a
correct transcript of what you snld? A. Not
all of It, no. Thnt wns not taken1, nil of
that. Where, he asked me confidentially for
my opinion It wns not taken by tho stenog
tnphcr, and I told him that my opinion
didn't amount to a row of pins, nnd 1
Q. Mr Souder, were those questions
nsked jou and did you nnswer them thus'
A. Those questions, ind they were asked me
by Mr Itotan nnd Mr. Gordon nnd Mr.
Tnulanc. All three of them were tnlklng
there together at times, and thoy nsked fot
my opinion, and I told them It didn't amount
to n row of pins, nnd they snld they thought
It did, and they were not tnken by the
stenographer. The stenographer stopped
hertpencll when they nsked me those per
sonal questions.
Q. Xow, Mr. Souder. I nsk you Vhether
you were nsked those questions A.
The nre many questions there that 1
didn't answer.
Q. Listen to me, Mr. Souder. Were you
nsked those questions which I hno read,
and did you nnswer them ns I hne read"'
A. My private opinion of It wns that the
statements that I had from the people
Indicated thnt they were beaten down there,
ntul If that were true that I would not
tolerate It whether I was the Director oi
the Mayor or any due e'.sc. The statements
were turned over, nnd I think the District
Attorney hns them
Q Wcro all the questions which I hae
read to you nsked of jou, nnd did you nn
swer them ns I have read them? A. S'o
doubt there were those questions nnd many
others nsked me.
Q And answered? A I nnswered them
ns truly ns 1 could
Q Did you answer them ns I have read
them? A. The statement there, whether In
lull, because that wns not tnken In detail
d.iti by the stenographer whntcxer Is
there In the Inst statement Is tnken from
menVory. nnd whether that Is all there or
not I don't know.
Q Do you say that this was taken from
memory? A Part of It
Q You swenr thnt, do jou? A. Yes. be
cause the stenographer didn't take It; be
cause 1 was speaking In her presence nnd
she d'dn't do nny writing when the ques
tions was asked s to my opinion, because
I refused to glc It only as a personal mat
ter to Mr. llotan.
hi;fusi:s pihvatk opinion
Q. I nm reading from the stenogrnpher's
notes. A. Not that nart of It wns tnkpn.
because I nsked Mr. Itotan to -itop the
stenographer, nnd he did. He told her not
to put it down.
Q. Do j-ou menn to say that. jou told
something that you didn't wnnt taken down
stenographlcally? A. I wouldn't give It In
public He asked me for my private opin
ion nnd I absolutely wouldn't gle It for
publication
Q You said it anyhow? A. I don't know
whether I Just put it In those words or not,
Philadelphia
Soliciting Office
1019 Chestnut St.
but 1 do know I aald If the reports were
true. What was Ann 4hr frnm tliA tOAn
that were bringing them In, that I would not
tolerate It.
Q. Were you asked. '"Did vou make nn
written report to the Mayor outside of the
written report the men made to you," nnd
did you nnswer, "No, 1 Just turned the re
ports over to him." Q. Without comment
of j'ours? A. 1 made no comment. Is
thaticorrect? A. Yes. sir.
Q. What kind of paper were the reports
which you gavo to the Mayor's secretary
mado on. ofllclal paper? A. Why, no; on
plain paper.
Q. Plnln white paper? A. White nnd
yellow.
Q. Whnt? A. White and yellow, colored
yellow.
Q. You ininn copies were taken7 A.
They were copies of the originals.
Q. Hut jou gao tho originals to the
Maj-or7 A Yes no, not all of them.
Q. You t-ald so? A. 1 gavo them to tho
secretary1.
Q. What? A. The originals an dthe cop
ies, both to the secretarj.
Q. You gae all the originals nnd the
copies to the Major? A. To the Mayor's
sc rotary.
Q. You didn't keep any copies? A. No.
sir. f
Q. You haven't got nny originals? A
No, sir, nor no copies.
Q Nor no copies? A. No.
Mr. Heltler Can I have tho copy sent
to Mr. Itotan?
Mr. Gordon No. sir.
Heces"! tnken till I o'clock.
When the hearing reopened nt " p m.
Alfred I. Souder resumed the stand.
Mr Got don Mny It please your Honor.
I move thnt j-our Honor grnnt n subpoena
of the C-immonwenlth, duces tecum, nd
dressed to the Mnyor of the cltj", command
ing him to bring to this Court the original
ofllclal reports made to Alfred I. Souder, a
detectUe of the detective bureau of the city
of Philadelphia, by DctectUes I.estrangc
nnd Walsh, of said burenu, touching police
mntters In retatbn to the Fifth Wnrd up
to and Including September 13, 1!)17. which
snld reports were delivered to him In his
official capacity of Maj-or of said clt.v. I
ask j'our Honor to nllow me a subpoena
duces tecum.
The Court Let it go out
Mr Scarlet We would like to he henrd
upon the right of the court to issue thnt
subpoena nnd fix the time for Its return
Mr. Gordon This Is not the time to hear
that Upon the return of the subpoena
Your Honor would henr thnt Upon the
return of the subpoena, of course, j'ou (Mr
Scarlet) will argue It
Mr Heltler I would like the District At
torney sent for
Mr Gordon I see no reason wiy tho
District Attornej" should be sent for
The Court Ills representative Is her Mr
Taulane
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Mr. Heltler. The District Attorney wns
here when we adjourned at 1 o'clock
Mr, Gordon He Is hnndsome nnd would
decorate tho scene, hut he Is not Indis
pensable. The Court His representative is here.
Mr. Heltler., I nsk Mr, Taulane to let me
have the reports sent to him by the Mayor,
referred to by the witness on the stand,
Mr. Gordon We decline to furnish you
with anything.
The Court. The District Attorney de
clines to furnish them; Is that the reply?
Hy Mr. Gordon I decline to furnish him
Alth an thing.
Uj" Mr. Heltler I nsk that your Honor
ask tho District Attorney to bring Ihrj'e
pnpetR In here to let me ha them for
the purpose jf the cioss-examlnntlon of
this witness.
Hy the Court Note upon Mie record the
request of Judge Heltler and the refusal
of the District Attorcny to produce the re
ports. Hy Mr. Gordon This Is n fiction and a
hjplny. 'Ihe ldence In this ense Is that
It Is In Hie hnnds of th" Major '
Mr. Heltler I request of the Court that
the District Attorney be nsked to bring
them In ami Irind them In me
The Court I nsked the District Attitrne
and the District Attornej refused tc pro
duce them. Mr Heltler.
Mr Gordon I wl'l make another an
swer. The District Attorney has not got
them. They nre In the hands of the
Mnj'nr
Mr. Heltler Then jou nre not Informed
ns to the facts, and I still would like the
District Attorney here, In order that the
Dlstrlc tAttorney may say that.
Mr. Gordon I ask thnt the hearing pro
ceed The Court Mr. Gordon represents the
District Attorney?
Mr. Taulane Yes, sir.
The Com t. You cut let Mr. Soutti r leaw
L the stand, and If the tvpotts art hani'i-d
to jou latir on Jim enh itiwi.xnmliu.-
Mr. Heltler. If not, wi- enn do -loihlnit
then, I suppose?
Mr. Gordon No, get thim fiiuii jour
client
Tho Court The District Attnrmy In
foims tho Couit that the repotts nie In the
hands if the Major of the city
Mr. Goidon So the witnes slid
In cmst-examlnatlon, Mr. H, Itltr nsked
the witness nbout the contents of out of
the reports, but Mr Gordon objected on the
ground thnt It wbh an attempt to show the
contents of n document bj' secondan evi
dence The Court sustained him
Mil HHlTUnt Q Then I will nsk you
whether j'ou did not endenor tn get from
Mr Stern and from Mr. Cniey the names of
the people said to have been maltreated bj
the police' A I personnllj called on Ml
Stern nnd he refused to glvo me the name-
Q And did he oei gle you- A Xo
I had some names and I suggested them to
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The ivortfover, all Walk-Overshoes bear the
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Mr Stern nAd he, In two or tnree Instance,
said that I had Ihe right namca of people,
but that wns all.
Witness admitted In did not Mttend hear
ing "f Lieutenant Hennetl when the latter
was arrested prior to he primary, hut said
he had'proreedlng Htenogrnphleallj r port
ed and sont copy tn hf Mayor' secre
tary Oilier iuefl(ili brought out Mist
flntidrr had told Ihe Major conditions In
ho lifth Wnrd were not so bid m rep
reented In the newspapers
The Court CJ. When did )-ou find but
nfterwatds and so repor to two of your
personal friends, thn,t j'ou found them cry
much worse thnn you reported them to m..
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