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    the ncccffity, in many instances, of increasing it, by devolving
much of the legillative power upon the executive department",
arising from the difficulty of making particular provisions and de
tails ni our laws, and accommodating them to the various intercfls
of so extensive a country.
The other branch of the legislature has many traits of a perpe
tual, at least of a very solid ionftituent part of the government.
He did not mention these at linperteftions in the government
they are perfedfions if the other parts can be in due proportion;
but it is lurely a fountf reafoti against taking pbfitive mcafuies at
this time to diminish the rcprefentative branch ; lor his own pa, t
he was not well fatisfied as to the intention. If there is any rea
son to apprehend that the government will depart from the point
on which it was iirlt placed, he could scarcely fuppufc that any
one could be boneftly alarmed vviin the fear that the departure
would b« towards demociicy. He concluded by ex'pieflimr his
hopes/hat the representation to the next Congress would be fixed
atone for thirty thoul'and, as it had hitherto been, and that the
motion for fti iking out would not prevail.
MONDAY, November 14.
The Speaker laid before the house a memorial
from General Moses Hazen,which was read and
laid 011 the table- ' ,
Mr. Baldwin presented the petition of General
JamesJackfon, (taring that an improper and undue
return has been made to the house of the election
for the lower diflricl of ihe Rate of Georgia and
praying that the house would pollpone any de
termination on the election of General Anthony
Wayne, for such reasonable period as may enable
the petitioner to come forward with such proofs
as the cafe may require.*
Mr. Lawranee presented a p3tition of fqndry
inhabitants of the state of New-York, holders of
the continental paper called new emiUion, or for
ty for one money—laid on the table.
A meflage was received from the' Frefident of
the United States by Mr. Secretary Lear, with a
copy of a resolution of the Legislature of Virginia,
'nia, ratifying the firft article in the amendments
proposed by Congress to the Conliitution of the
United States—also sundry papers relative to a
purchase of land on the Great Miami, by John
C. Symmes.
Mr. Seney presented a memorial from the dif-'
tillers of Baltimore, praying a modification and 1
a reduction of the duty on spirits of domeflic nia
nufadure read, pud referred to the Secretary
of the Treasury. '
Sundry petitions were read, praying for pen
fious and compensations—-these were committed
to the Secretary of War, to report thereon.
The petition of Stephen Zachary, merchant,
of Baltimore, was read, stating that in confe
quenceofan unintentional error in a bill of sale
of a veflel purchased at Port-au-Prince, he had
been obliged to pay extra tonnage duties, and
played relief. On motion, this petition was re
ferred to :A feletft committee, consisting of Messrs.
Fitzfimons, Huger and Gilman.
Mr. Baldwin moved that the petition of Gen.
Jackson (hould be referred to the committee of
elections. Jie offered several observations to
fnew the propriety of giving early attention to
the bpfinefs, particularly as [he conteiled election
took place in the remotest part of the remote
Hate in the Union
It was observed rhat a reference to the com
. mittee appointed to bring in a bill for eltablifh
ing an uniform mode of proceeding in cases of
concerted elections, appeared to be the molt eli
gible. A reference to the committee of elec-
tions was objected to, as the fubjeift not conic
within their cognizance, as that committee can
only determine vefpetfting the certificate, &c.
*nich are required from the executive of the
tate to entitle to a feat in the house. A refer-
ence to the committee appointed to report a bill,
was. also objected to, as that committee was
not authorized to take notice of part tranfadtion's,
or '° report a rerrofpedive regulation.
seleCt committee was mentioned, agreeable
ot e mode adopted in the two contested elec
lons which occurred in the firft Congress—but it
eing observed that the petition was-unaccompa
•'^e ,ei l"'fite documents mentioned in
' . /' Baldwin withdrew his motion, and the
petition was laid on the table.
The liieflage from the President of the United
tates being read, the papers refpeciing the pur
s Western Territory, werere-
C tO . l'. 16 co ' nn 'ittee appointed to bring.in a
piovnlitig for the sale of vacant lands.
T . re P, ort > put fuant to orders of the house, was
«in> e,<eo a 1 e:lc '' f | oni the Board of Commi/Ii
tcH o* a PP o,nte d to fettle the accounts of theUni
' „ ates w ' lh the individual States. Th, re
th. c * '' lat l ' ,o ' e accounts may be fettled by
refnlit-• 3r * a before the house sundry papers
re<S»H , ' 8 al * ne Hospital which had been e-
Leirifl l ' lC tate Virginia ; also an acft of the
thc"r» UrC .°*" t ' lat late > authorizing the sale
oninnt-' 0 '. e n ' tec ' States—Thele being read,
the S* ,0 " r ' ar ' ter » they were referred to
of the Treasury.
'"ions' r^P orts roin the Secretary of State on pe
ofWiir 6 er J t0 m 7 were read—one on that
Colvin ' am J? owe ' . t * le °'her, on that of Charles
How e j. 1 . n, °t'on of Mr. Madison, William
othtrf- ea * e to withdraw bis petition—the
T er report was laid on the taMe.
late r r' ort £ ' ,e Secretary of War, made 10
ongrefs, on the petition of Rufus Ha-
mil ton, which wag againtt the prayer of Pml t-e
•'"on was, on motion of Mr. WarT taken into
con fid era: ion. A subsequent petition from the
wa p t also •»
granted 0t petition ca,)l,ot be
called 6 fm-' e ri° f , rhe r !ay ' °". the C^"fuS bei »g
I ~ > ou^e went into a committee of
the whole Mr. Muhlenberg in the chair.
Heifter moved that the Clerk should in
the'am l'° 3f the of the ratifications of
the amendments to the Conftitmion proposed by
Congi ess, to the several States.—lt appealed that
The debate was then renewed on the amend
mem proposed to the motion of Mr. Lawiance,
toi ltnkmg out thirty before thousand.
* r. Findley and Mr. Giles spake largely against
iolied" 0 Th°'" llrikin £ °ut and Mr. Boudinot
replied. rhe committee . ofe without taking a
vo.e, and had leave to fit again.
t ,. TUESDAY, November 15
Mr. Wayne presented the petition of J. Davis, a surgeon in the
Sssifs 5?* su '" 1 L
Sed f wi r ck "ported a bill refpefting fugitives from mftice
and from the f crv ; C col Masters . whuh si » J»»«.
whole'H eS 'r a " d " d " ed 10 b ° COmm,,tcd <° a committee of the
on r F , r,da y next—too copiesto be printed for the ac
conimodation of the members.
In committee °f the whole, on the Schedule of the Ccnfus.
Air. Muhlenberg in the chair.
n„W C h B t""f 0r ftr ' king ° Ut thirty ' from "'c resolution pro
poled by Mr. Lawrance was further discussed ; Mr. Pace Mr
findlty, „lr. Gerry, Mr. K'tchcll and Mr. He.lter oppoled the
motion for (Inking out. Mr. Steele, Mr. Clatk, Mr. Hillhoufe
Mr. Vining and Mr. Sedgwick, were in favor of the motion ■ the'
debate was continued till 3 o'clock, when the quellion being ge
nerally railed tor it was put and negatived-and the original mo
tion, I hat until the next enumeration, the number o» Represen
tatives 'hall oe one to every thirty thousand persons was agreed to.
i he committee then rose and reported the rcfolution to the Houfc
and on the motion to agrffe to the fame, the ayes and noes beir, J
demanded aie as follow : b
ayes
B 3ldw i n . Beaton .Brown, Findley, Fitzfimonj, Gerry,
G IT, Gordon, Gregg, Griffin, Heifter, Huger, Jacobs, Kitchell
K-ittera, Lawrancr, Learned, Lee-, Muhlenberg, Madifoo, Mpore,
Page,Parker, Scney.Sheredine, Sumpter, Sylvester, Tfead
wcll, Tucker, Venablc, Wadfworth, Wayne, Wfiite, Wiili«_3 s ,
MffTrs. Ames, A (he, Barnewell, Bondinor, S. Bourne, B. Bourne
vr i c j Goodhuc > Grovf . Hlllhoufe, Livermore, Macon'
Ni.es Scdgv.'.ck, j. Smith, I.Smith, W. Smith, Steele, Sturzes'
Thatchrr, Vining, Ward—l.3 .surges,
A committee confiding, of Messrs. Page, Murray and Macon,
was appointed to report a bill pursuant to the above resolution.
[OR THE GAZETTE OF THE U\'ITE~D STATES ~ '
Number of Representatives in Congress.
\A/"^ EN ' hc P' efcm Constitution of the United Slates was firft
VV formed, the Senate confided of twenty-fix members, and
the House of Representatives of fixty-five. The proportion was as
two to five. By the accefliori of Vermont and Kentucky, the
number ol Senators will be encreafed to thirty. To preserve the
original proportion, the uumber of Representatives should be en
creafed to feventy-fivc, and apportioned to the several States agree
ably to the Constitution, according to the late census. Would it
not be best to amend the Constitution, so that for the future the
number of Representatives may be always in the fame proportion
to the nnmbcrvof Senators as at firft ?—That rule would afcertaiji
the number, without the interference of Congress, which will no;
be done by the amendment that has been already proposed ; but
as that is not yet become a part of the Constitution, Congress can
fix the number at the rate aforefaid for the next cleftion, and te
commend the amendment here proposed in lieu of the former.
The objects of legifiation in a federal government are fcW. com
pared with those in a national or state government, and therefore
will not require so great a number of Representatives. Those gen
tlemen who are acquainted with doing business in a Icgiflative as
sembly, can judge better by experience than argumentation, what
number will be most convenient to tranlaft the public business.
Any gieater number would add nothing to the power ot thai
branch of the legiflaturc, but would renderthe exercifeof its.pow
ers more inconvenient, and lessen the weight and tefponfibility of
each individual member. An tncreafe o( members would also
enhance the public expence, If feventy-five members can tranf
aEl the public bufmefs as well as one hundred, the saving the ex
pence of twenty-five members (which in a ftllion of fix months
would aVnount to 26,000 dollars) would be an object worthy of
attention. A CITIZEN.
FROM THE GEORGIA GAZETTfe, OF OCTOBER 13.
THE Light-House on Tybee I Hand will hereafter be regularly
lighted, and the following directions are given for failing in
over the bar :
Bring the Light-House to bear Weft, or not more than W. i S.
or W. J N. and calculate the tide, at J pall 7, at full and change
of the moon, to be full sea. If little wind, in ftanding'iii, allow
for the tide. The ebb setting to the fouihward, over the fopth
breakers, you must ftcer W. N. W. as loon as you shoal your wa-
ter, haul up more to the northward ; but be sure not to vary from
the course above mentioned. Obfervt the flood tide fcts to th
northward ; then you must steer W. S. W. with light winds. When
you get the Light-House to bear from S. £. to S. you may bring
up from 3j to 5 fathnfns, at low water, muddy bottom, being
within 1 i cable's length of the Ihore. There you may lie fafc
with anv but an easterly wind. When you get on the bar, you
will have 18 feet at low water, with a hard bottom; at high wa
ter, from to 4 fathoms. After pr.fling the bar you wiil have
a foft bottom. Tire diftancc from 3 fathoms water, coming over
the bar, until the water is half a mile. The width of the
-channel, from breaker-head to breaker-head, is half a mile. Ob
serve when you find you 'get either to the southward or to the
northward of the foregoing Jdireftions, and have no wind, let go
your anchor.
PRICE CURRENT— PUBLIC SECURITIES,
FUNDED DEBT.
6 pr. Cents 21/10 22/ ?'■£•
3 pr. Cents ie/6
Defered 6 pr. Cents 13\J 13/s
UNFUNDED DEBT.
Final Settl. and othei Certificates igj
Indents 11/6
Bank. Subfciiptions,
231
Adjourned
NOES.
Adjourned
110 pr. cent.
625 do.
66 do.
95 d o.
do.
143 IJ&lhrs.
Philadelphia, November 16.
Sem LC °On'!| f i orn tf' 0 'f d >, n ' VM ltc ' m,lda > arc received to the igrh
' , P n . l, 'e »4'hof that month dud at Weymouth, the JVi,,
quis de la Luzerne, Ambaffado, from the Court of We A
treaty of peace ,s figncd between Rullk and th Tu.ks ■ the Em
press retaining Oczakow and its dependencies The' Kitie of
France has accepted the new condition, and had been put ~
pofTeffion of the crown ;-a general st y hjs bcea pub (
favor of all who assisted the iiing in makin , c fca J 1 " i
rhoTe who have refilled the decrees of th," N,„ lu nal Wmbly"
passports and momentary reftri£t,ons in regard to entering into or
depart.ngoutofth.k'ngdomHte done away; the gaols® of tL
v- 3re t0 thrown °P en on the occasion.
of Spain has declared war again If the Em peror of
LordCo'' A f, COUntS from India tolh = =3d March, inform that
r Cornwallis was carrying every thing before him ; the Kuf
'JWI f . r ?.™ the best information from Cape-Francois that
the ,fl, nd H .rp,mola mu st be loft for fcrn/timc : ,h e 'forc'
the rev ok en B 5 meanS to d ' eooquH
a oer/to ,1 I . A ™ rlcan Properly at the island which i«.of
arrwW must be m " rd y loft :no k "' d °f provifionj
are want, ng , it 13 uncertain whether the Capi is not at themercv
of the revolters when they choose to make a small facrifice AM
gree that the island can never be recovered but by a irreat and
eany exertion of France. g
U-f J c i Hammond was introduced to the Prefidfflt
cr,H« I u StateS ' by thc Secreur y "f State, and- presented hL
as his Britannic Majesty's Minister Plenipotentiary. '
gi fUtc." G ° V ""°' ° f Vir S inia b V Le.'
Mr- Bourne, Consul of the United States for St. Domini'o
wt.o arrived here on Thursday last ,n the brig Theodof.a from
theemh anC °r' " ,f °, rmS thatthe Coloni'l'Mlembly had laken off
fro,nTh b : r i g fla„ f r
1 he Ship Sampson, Capt. Howell, arrived at the Isle of Franc
on the 24th April last, an d was to fail for Canton the firft of June •
The Ship Piehdem Washington, Capt. Nicolfon, was also at ihe'
above place on the 27th May. The Ship Neptune, Capt £ai 1
had failed from thcncc lor Madras.
Much has been fald about making the Pod-Office the medium
of news and information to the people ; and it Teems to be the
general sentiment that, if it is pradicable, this medium (hould be
adopted (or this truly patriotic purpose. It is however said, that
Fnr, rC y e J ery gr T obfta^ iesm the wa y the expence is the moll
formidable—another is, that it will interfere with that dispatch f,.
neceliary to give fatisfa&ion to the mercantile interrft, which is
confidercd as the great support of the Poft-Office depaitment ■ and'
whose convenience and accommodation ought therefore to be or
manly consulted. With refpeft to the expencc, it may be pre
uined, that if newlpapers were particularly fpecified in the con
trails lor traufporung the mails, those contrails might be made
on nearly ihe prefer,t ; and it is univcrfally supposed, that
ounftuahty in receiving ihe papers, would induce every uerfon
chcarfully to pay (uch a sum over and above the fubferi-.tuni as
won d ampl/ compensate the deputy Post-masters for the fmaJl
■ ddilion to their bufmefs, which a more particular attention -has
is now paid would occasion. A separate portmanteau, and feoa
raje arcounts, would prevent an interference with the lelteis -
which ought always to receive the firft attention. At prch nt it
is a mere.matter of courtesy, according to the exiftmg refoluuonj
ot Congrcfs, that newspapers, even exchange papers between P,in
ters, are permitted to be sent by the mail—this is so e, ner.-Hv
known, that the idea of property is scarcely ever affixed to the n
at lean after they or.ce leave ihe Poll-Offices, It fee in sas if t wa l
proper that the Printer* (hould know oil what ground thev ftaurj •
or their prelent indulgence in regaid to diilant fubfcribeis, is ill
lufory and deftrufhve to them, and proves a vexatious deception
and dilcouragetnent to their patrons.
I Exiraß of a Utter from Edinburgh, Augufl 22.
Yesterday, a gentleman ndingbythefeacoaft
betwixt Liniekills and North ob-
Terved three whales playing in the water.' He
l ode directly to the ferry and gave the informa
tion to the fifhermen there, who immediately
launched their boats, and set off in pursuit of
them. In a /hort time they overtook them, and
the moment they struck them with their harp'oons
all three run afliore. In theafternoon they were
brought inco the North £)ue£nsferry. One of
them measures (ixteen feet in length, another
twenty feet, and the third twenty-two feet.
At Davis's Straits, forty-fix flnps have caught
ISi fifh, which are computed to yield 1812 long
of oil, and 120 tons of whalebone. Fourteen
Amsterdam veflels caught 1 7 fi/h.
George Meade
Has for SALE,at his Stores on Walnut-Street Wharf
A FEW pipes of 3 and 4 years old bills of exchange Madeira
WINE, which he will d.fpofe of by the pipe, hoXad or
quarter calk. °
London matket Madeira WINE, 5 and 6 years old
Old Sherry WINE of the firft quality, by the I,'ogfhead or
quarter calk. 0
Three and 4 years old LilW, WINE, of a superior quality to
what is generally imported, by the pipe, quarter calk or
quantity. •
Choice old Coniac BRANDY, by the pipe, tierce, or lar er
quantity. »
A few quarter cherts of firft quality Hyson TEA
He hasjuft received by the Pigou, Loxlev, maftcr/from London
a few quarter calks of old Madeira WINK—And
By the bri s Mercury, Capt. Steven., from Dublin, a few bo*,.
of Irish LINENS, low priced and well alTorted ; a few bal°"l
red and white FLANNELS, and some GLUE.
A few boxes of Spermaceti CANDLES of the firft quality a „J
Burlmgton PORK of prime quality. y>and
STAVES aH ° l ° d ' rP ° re ° f ' 3 qUa " tity ° f drcffcd White Oak
He means to krep a constant supply of First Onallt« ■
and who^ r^%l e,red t o^vo; y h^t;t "
Lheir cultom, may be afluicd of being well served.
Winter and S P rm <?' buy undreflcd HAND
■11 11 P ,Kch ' ,r " , K FLAX-SEED and BEES-W \a anJ
will give the htgheft price f'.r them.
N.B. A few hamper- of excellent London PORTER , n J
Taunton ALE, just received, and to bed.fpofed of.
Philadelphia, November 16, 1791
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