Mr. Stt.iS'aves did not miderftawl tae uVjeft which ttu* mover of these resolutions had in view. He knew not whether he meant to confine the operation of his rula to the present House of RrprefentativCs on ly, or to all future houses. From the lan guage of the firft resolution, he judged the latter washia intention, Asit was hisopiuion, therefore, that any attempt of theirs to bind future houses would be perfectly nugatory, he 'should move to strike out the words from, " If it be," to "given'' (printed above in italjc.) This resolution will then confine i the' operation of the rule to the eleftions which may take place during the fifth congress. By the constitution, every house was to judge of the elections and returps of its own members. Tt wa3 not in the power of any house to prescribe rules for a fue ceeding one, for this reason, the rtiles which governed a preceding house, were always re vised by the succeeding one. If they were to prescribe rules which were to be binding on future houses, it could only be done by an aft of the whole legislature, which would certainly be exceptionable, as it would give to the President and Senate a power over the rules. for governing their proceed ings, which, by the constitution, they were alone the judge# of. He ftiought his ideas on this fubjeft correft ; if they were, he doubted, not the motion which he had made Would be agreed to. Mr. Harper said, if the idea of the gen tleman last up was correft, his motion, would donbtlefs be acceded to ; though he did not go for enough, because in that cafe she should have move! to have ftftick out tlx whole clause ; because, if the rules proposed were notjto have a permanent effeft, they would he perfeftly nugatory. But he apprehended his friend had not at tended to a diftinftion, which he thought a plain one. It was this, the power to eftab lilh rules for the taking of evidence, and that of judging the evidence after it wjis taken, This house could not fay it would «dmit mtmber3 under such and such difqualifica tions, but an agreement to the mode of tak ing evidence, was very different from the qualifications themselves. It was essentially necessary that legiQative andjudicial powers should be kept diltinft, yet it was not tho't an interference with the judicial authority, for the legislature to direst the mode of tak ing evidence in certain cases. Nothiny could .be more clear than this diftinftion. It could not be said, therefore, that because the whole legislature direfted the mode of tak ing evidence in cases of contested eleftion, that the President and Senate interfered with the constitutional direftion that every house should he the judge of its own rules. He was of cpinion that a law was necessary, and a law of a permanent nature, to which he could fee no reasonable objeftion. He allowed that it would be uneonftitutional for the President or Senate to interfere with their rules or elections ; but when they came to mike a law which was to operate upon the whole community, their interfer ence was necessary and proper. If these ideas were founded, and he thought they were, the proposed amendment would be re jifted. Mr. N. Smith said the motion now be fore them, was founded upon an idea that permanent rules could not be made for tak ing evidence at contested eleftions. He had frequently heard it said that rules could not be made to be binding any longer than while the house existed which formed them. For himfelf he never conceived this opinion to be correft. That it was highly important that permanent regulations should be made on the fubjeft in question, every one must idmit ; it became of importance thciefore, to know whether they had the power of making them. When he spoke of perma nent rules he would not be understood to mean that any rules should be longer perma nent than until the time came when the house of reprefentativea should wjfh to re scind (hem. The idea whiph led to the conclusion of the gentleman from Pennsylvania, was this, that every new Congress occasioned a new House of Representatives; that whenever the members were newly elefted, there was a new House of Representatives. He did not believe this doftrine to be correft. The House of Representatives, he said was a to tally diftinft thing from its members. The House of Representatives, in his opinion, always existed ; and there was 110 period at which it could be said there was not a House of Representatives in being. He never be lieved it was broken in pieces one* in two years; for when the time of one set of mem bers expired, that of another set commenc ed ; so that it was of the nature of a Corpo ration, which always existed. He did not think there had beer, four Houses of Repre sentatives since the commencement of the present Government, but that the whole had been one uninterrupted House. He thought this was the view which the Con stitution gave of the fubjeft ; as it.spoke of it always as a permanent body. In the fame way, the President and Sen3te were perma nent ; if this were not the cafe, and every election made a new House, there was a time when the Senate was only two thirds of a Senate (when one-third went out of office). This idea therefore, could not he right. There was no difficulty, therefore, in forming permanent rules, flnee they were, made to gowern the House, and not the in. dividual members. With rrfpeft to those things which each braneh of government had the power of doing for itfelf; each could establish its own ruWs ; but, what re lated to the whole government, must be the aft of the whole. The gentleman from Pennsylvania had said, that each House had the power of judging of its own eleftions. This, he apprehended, did not refer to dif ferent Houses of Representatives, but to the House of Representatives, and the Senate, at each House was always considered by the Constitution as a permanent body. He u'as therefore opposed tb the amendment. Mr. Nicholas believed this was a fub jeft in which they should sever advance far enough to come to a dtcificn. Very long yfrty plaulible argument .i might be adduced on both fides of title C|Ueit:on, which would produce different effsfts on those who heard them; but he thought the fubjeft before them might be afted upon, without coming to a question on that point. He supposed if any cafe of contested elcftion came before the House, and the evidence was taken in such a way as to qfcertain the truth, they should be at liberty to proceed to the ex amination of the cafe; and therefore, all that was wanting was, to call in the power of the General Legislature to authorize the attendance of witnesses to deliver their tefli ny. Let that testimony be taken upon e stablished and acknowledged rules, which fatisfy every man's mind, and it will carry conviftion with it that ir is proper. The necessity of adopting some mode of this kind was evident, as it was a great grievance that perfpns difputingcleftioas fiad to come there, to learn the mode of doisg it, before they could proceed to take evidence. In deed, it was putting the power of fending members "to that house in the hands of Re turning Officers. Jie had no doubt that the Constitution gave them power to make a law on the fubjeft ; if necessary the ne ceflity of the cafe would (hew the reasonable ness of it ; but he did not know that a law was requisite ; he thought a rule of the House to thteffefthe had mentioned,would cure the evil complained of. Mr. Sewail believed, that the great difficulty on the fnbjeft, arose from in the form which it presented itfelf, which had introduced the question, whether that house was a perpetual body Or not. He must confefs, that he differed in opinion altoge ther from the gentleman from Connecticut, (N. Smith) that this house was a perpetu al body. He thought th« constitution bad j (hewn, that though ftiere was always 'a ! House of Reprefcntatives, yet that every houfp had only twoyeais duration ; hut be believed, in determining the real ok>ieft"'of this motion, there was no fteteffity for co ming to a dccifion oti this point. Mr. S. objeftCd to the firft resolution, on account of the notice required to be given, which in some cases, would present an undue elec tion from being disputed, because the bu siness was not taken up agreeably to the direftion of this rule, as to time ; so that whether the proposed regulation was to be effefted by a rule or a lait, he thought the firft resolution ought to be rejefted. With refpeft to the other parts of the resolutions, some regulation was Certainly necessary, both as to eleftions, and as to all other mat ters of eontroverfy which may come before the house ; because, if some node were a dopted for taking evidence, fafts might be brought before the house, which could ne ver otherwise come. As it refpe&ed electi ons, they knew it had happened in one in stance, and might happen in many, that a person had held a feat in that house for a whole- fefiioo, who was not entitled to it.— He saw no difficulty in passing an aft .pre scribing the mode of taking affidavits to be laid before the two houfei of Congress. He should venture to move that the com mittee rife, with the intention of dis charging it from a farther consideration of the fubjeft, and to propose that a commit tee be appointed to enquire into the expedi ency or inexpediency of preftribing a mode I for taking evidence generally, for the pur pose-os laying it before Congress. Mr. Harper said, if the gentleman just fat down had uo other reason than that which he had assigned, for making his mo tion, he thought, on consideration, he would not himfelf think it necessary. His whole objeftion to the resolutions seemed to be, to the notice required to be given. Here was no intention, he said, of preclu ding evidence after the time fpecified. The sole objeft was; that testimony taken in this way, and no other, should be admitted.— Persons wishing to have the time extended, might still take the evidence in this way.— If there were a doubt on the fubjeft, an ad ditional clause might be introduced to this efftft. Whether the mode he had propo sed, was the bell which could be adopted, he could not fay. If gentlemen knew a better, he wished them to propose it, and let it be considered ; but'furely, because gentlemen think some betteT rrtode may be devised, this was not a fufficient reason for difchatging the committee of the whole from a farther consideration of the fubjeft. Mr. Gordon was in favour of the com mittee's rising, because he did not think the resolution would have any effect, if carried. He was of opinion with the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Sitgreaves) that they could not pass a rule to bind a future house, though he thought a law might be passed to do away the inconvenience complained of. These inconveniences arose from there being no law obliging witnesses to give tf depositions in the cases mentioned. Iffuch a law were passed, all that was complained of would be done away. Mr. Harper said, if the House could pass no law upon the fubjeft to have ef feft, then it was idle to talk about iti— One word upon the committee's riling. Was it proper, he alked, after the present fub jeft bad been printed before the House two years, merely because gentlemen had not given themselves the trouble to look into it, and not because the thing is improper, but because they have not prepared their objec tions or amendments, to have it sent a new committee? He thought not. If gen tlemen wished a day or two to consider the fubjeft, he had no objeftion to give it, but h« hoped the committee of the whole would not be discharged. Mr. Sitgreaves supposed, that the question being for the committee to rife, it would be improper to go into the merits of the fubjeft. He rose only to give an addi tional reason why the Committee ought to rife. If the House passed any thing either in the form of a law, or a resolution, the pro visions necessary inu'ft embrace such a varie ty of detail as could not be fettled in a com mittee of the whole, as they fhculd be enter- . ed into with greai caatioas'iJ : ; Indeed; the rr.odfc of precedtfre>iopft;ci (y.\ this occatlbn, inverted the itfusl order of I things. Tiie detail of business svas always : fettled in fclett committees, and not in com mittees of the Vv-Tiole. r ' The motion sot t!ie committee'sri(ing was put and carried; and upon leave being asked to fit again, it was refuted. Two motions were then made; one by Mr. Nicholas, for referifirf the resolutions to a ftletl Committee} another by Mr. SewaU, for appointing a Committee to en quire rnto the expediency of passing a law regulating the taking <4f evidence generally. The former was withdrawn to make way for the tatter, but renewed by Mr. Rntledge, and in order to do away (ope obje£lions which were urged agiiiiift ts!« mode of pro ceeding, Mr. Harper' prpppfed to amend the motion adding this, qij eftion to the com mittee, viz. " to take the fubjeft matter it felf under Coiifideration, and report, their o pinion generally to the House."—Agreed and a committee of five members appointed. Mr. D. Foster, frorq, the committee of claims, made an unfavourable* report on the petition of Robert Hornor, which was con curred in. Mr. Rutdrdge presented the petition of Robert Simmons, praying compensation for Military Service.—Referred to the commit tee of claims. Mr. Harrer from the committee to whom was referred the memorial of Thomas Carpenter, praying for the . fiipport of the Honfe to his American Senator, reported it as the opinion of the committee that ao en couragemsnt could with propriety be given to the said work, and that the Memoria lill have leave to withdraw his memorial— Mr. H. moved that this report be referred to a committee of the whole ; but on the motion being objedted to, as unnecessary, it was withdrawn, and rej»oit was con cured in Ijy the House. (i . , Mr. Cochsan prupijjlVjl to the following tffeA ; i ? , " Resolved that a eoinmit(.e'- he appoint ed to enquire whether auy» and vr'ifit ji nWndments are tieceflary ia the law eft abb (h cd Pod offices and Post Ruads." Some objeitions were made to this motion by Mr. Thatcher, on tie ground of the law having so lately paired, that it could scarcely be told what would b« its opera tion ; but, upon Mr. Cochran's represent ing that he did not wish to go into a revisi on of the a€t generally, but merely to pro pose the opening of some new roads in apo pulaus part of his (late, the motion was a greed to, 47 vote* being in its favour. Adjourned. The City Dancing Aflfembly, Is unavoidably poftooned till the-14th iaft. Dec. a, Salisbury Estate. THE Subfcnber, propadng to hi* bufi nefi, offers this Estate for sale, on moderate terms. Oh it are one Blast and three Air Furnaces, a compile JBoreing Machine, and a very good gcift Mill, with two pair ot ftonet ; alfoagood Forge, all in pcrfeft repair, as are alt tb c Water Works conneft ed with these various branchesr I'he Air Furnaces wrre lately built for of calling Cannou for this Stste.—There are about iwo thou (and acrr» ot one h*lf of which it uncle' wood, the other vry fine arable Land, producing the best Hay and Paliure. The Cannon lately manufactured thrre, fully proves the excellency ol the metal, whrch ia luperior to any in this country, and probably, equal to any in ihe world ; for not one of fi*ty*iu< e guru lately although some of the 24 were bored into 31 pounders, have failed oh proving. The si u ation is very eligible, particularly for this branch of manufaflurr, and a place of aims lving in the Aate of Conneflicut. and only 30 miles from ftveral land ings on the Hudson's liver, and having e#ery advan tage that can refblt from a plmty of water iffning from a natural pond, very near thi-Furnase, and which may be converted into a variety of other ufcful purposes. 'i he purchaO-r can be?ccommodu ed with all t*je and n'enli's, and have poiTcflicn on or betorc the fi.lt of June ncx; t an-i prrpar .tion may be made in theme an ttuic for gping into BUd im mediately therealter, for every pait will be delivered in good order, with some coa!,Ore* &c. See. For term:, apply to Mr. ]ofeph Anthonv, in Pailade!- phia; David Brooks, E'q. one of the Reprtldtettivcs jri Cor«grt:fj lor this State ; Mr v Dwtf Uriah Smith, j. No. ao, north Thir4 ro* *A,Lt; A neit and geoi;rat»4&>|-yH»»* Broad Cloths,Kerfeymeres,Napt an < Drab Coatings, aim, A variety of Gtntleinons' fjfti(inabl< fancy W'aift coating, sdk HoCerYt &c. December j. ' *eodzw FOR SALE, fir THE SUBSCRIBERS, Madeira Wine, firtt quality, in pipe* Madeira Wine, quality, in pipes Lifbnn WINE, in pipes NIJ" rr 1 j °^^ lC Utel importation, in boxes SpaniHi Wool, in Bales, fuit.tble for Hatters. Wt!lings & Francis, Pcnn-ftreet, No. at. Nov. r. w&stf " LAW BOOKS, London and Dublin Editions. ti. isf P. 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Ric* e*pe« to receive by the firft ar- from New-York the _, Door keeper. Oj" A Charity Sermon will be preached by the Rev. Mr. Neale, next Sunday, in St. Mary's Church, at 10 o'clock, A.M. for the benefit of the poor of the said Church. Letters of the 7th Oft. received by ths British packet contain nothing (lew. Suckerton, N. Jerfy, Dec. 2. MELANCHOLLY ACCIDENTS. La ft week a child about two ytirs old, of Mr. Jonathan Smith's of thi# place, unfor tunately fell into a tub of hot pickle, and was fca'ded to such a degree that it expired in a few hours. And on Wednesday this week, a boat upset in a snow squall, in which were Joshua Evans, son of Mr. Caleb Evans of this place, and Hananiah Gaunt, both of which perifh cd, and this day the bodies were found (in or near the boat) by a party of the neigh bours who went in search of them, and were brought on shore to be interred. *#* 'No Mails had arrived when this Paper went to Press. The Odtober Packet is arrived at New-York. From the ALBANY CENTINEL. The following Jeu (P efprtl was pasted up on the walls of Paris, »t the time of the formation of the con flit ution of the third year. It gave so much •ffence, that a reward of 2,c00 livrei for-the discovery of the author, was proclaimed. It was conceived to be an insult to the sovereign people, whose rights were fecuretl and guaranteed by theaforefaid eonfKtwtrnn, and who were in alfrefpefts so well able to govern themselves. It wan a libel on the aforefaid constitution, as the work of the people themfilves. It' was fi nally an attack upon reprefentatfoe govern aoents, as if the people were futh Brutes, as to be incapable ofchufing their own repre fcntatives. So much for this little libel. Whether the late event 3 in Francs have fal fified or confirmed it ; whether the expul sion and banifliment of ocehalfof the French' legislators by the reft, is a proof of the effi cacy of repnfentative government in that country; whether it is now demonstrated, that the French people are machines, or free agents j and finally, whether the transac tions us the 4th September, and the paflive fubmiflion of the people, (hew any likenefa between them and ourselves, and exhibit them as an example for our imitation, I (hall submit to the candid American reader. O Pcuple Francois ! quelle bete ! D' avoir un bonnet fans tete. O Peuple Francois ! quelle Machine ! D' avoir un Arbre fans Racine. translation. Oh People ! whither are you led, Oh People ! surely turn'd to Brutes, To have a Cap without a head, To have a Tree without the Roots. akother. Ye Fools of France, by Faßion led ? What is a Cap Without a head ? More stupid still who search for Fruit, Upon a Tree without a Root. ANOTHER. People for Bravery and for Wit renown'd, See what fUcccfs your mighty works hath crown'd ! Your glorious Tree the dev'l a Root can hoaft ; Andtho' the Bonnet's gain'dthehead is loft. ANOTHER. Is it for this that France has bled, To gain a Cap without a head ? Trampled all Laws beneath her Foot, To nurse a Tree without a Root ? GAZETTE M ARINE LIS PORT OF PHILADELPHIA. CL*AKE9. Ship Jean, M'Pherfou Savannah Brig Modest, Colladay Hamburgh ! Pennsylvania, Tatem Cadiz j Charlotte, Eaglefon N. York | Jane, Vanfife C. Francois ' Molly, Kilby St. Bartholomews Schr. Polly, Eldrige Boftcn Sloop Mary, Gamble Havannah Sally, Nicols N. York Capt.Labbrec, from Savannah, Ivas board ed on the tilt. lat. 38. 8, by the British frigate Thetis, Capt. Cochran y who informed him, that he had detainedfor examination a fbip betongwg to New- Turk and a Philadelphia flip, 1«'/;frmithe riKVatinv, for the Philadelphia ship ibr.i in p.ght, end iht i-onls of thzjrignfs on uonr&fjotb, C/'fii. Ceei-rait; voijlrd Captain La'bree to keep him M Company until h; had determined what to <,'■/ with the flips, in order thtt if he made pr~ of than, he njigljlwrite, to their owners,flat'r. j his reap: ns for fa doing ; 'rut Cjipt. L. prices}' cd on his voyage without further information rifp*&irig t'-r'm—Capt. L; undcrjloodthat th,"> had captured a brig from the Havannah, to tb'u port. 'The fchr. Tryal. Hand,from New-Tori;, has drifted from the point with ice, oppo/lte the City, between the ifl'and and the Jsrfyfljore. 7he brig Charlotte, Eaglefon, from hence to Neiv-Tork, is detained by the ice at the point. The Thomas Chaltley, , Clark, arrived at the fort from Martinico, failed farm that place the 26th of Oct. and Tortola the 3 d ultitJo, ht company with several vejfels for the ports of the U. States. Cap!. Clark has been on the coafl ftnee the 2 Ift ultimo, andfaiti a number of veffeh of all descriptions, many of whomflood to the fouth tuard and tis fuppofedhave not got in- Arrived at the Fort the brig- Sally, lValdron of New-Tcrl from Carracoa in distress, ha ving fprurg a leak and short of provisions. Bnflon, Nov. 2g. Arrived yesterday—Brig Aftceon, Bifr.v ham, 42 days from Hamburgh. Left there OA. 4, fliip Hannah, Stutfon, of Boston, for Lisbon ; brig Two Friends, Merrill, of Portsmouth ; (hip Mary, Baker, of Port land, for Oporto ; (hip Industry, Hall, of Boston ; (hip Enterprise, , of Provi dence, loading for Cape-de-Verds ; Tennef (est Smith, ofN. York, far Philadelphia } fliip Juno, Blake, of Bo'tton, for N. York ; ied in Europe with renewed numbers, and augmented in veteracy. Since the expulsion of Barthele my, Paftoret, \ aublanc, and others, who were certainly the friends of our country, T am fearful-the tfrms imposed on our Extra Commifiioners will be harder, than if their arrival had been pulterior to that eruption. As yet they have made no progress in th* negociatio* ; and we'cannot even conjeftuvu the iflue. My candid opinion is, that they will explain things fatisfaftorify." 1 ■ ■ » PhiladelphiaandLancafter Turn pike Companany. "P'HE Stockholders art hereby notified, that,the JL annual Eleftion for Officers for the ensuing year will be.held at the Company's Office inFh a. d-lphia, on thefecond Monday in Janua'V n> 1 1, at 10 o'cl-ck, a. m. Wit. 'OOVE IT, See'rv. December 7 at>m&wt7j MUSIC. J. L. L£NZ, Teacher ot Vocahand im"truniei;tal Music, RETURNS hi-fiiitsre thaakttoxhe Ladiei and Ok' tieratn, fron whom lie received a very liberal fficc I.is rtfidence in this ci ty, and refpedtfjllly ir.fi_r.-ns hiafrieml-aqd the put • ! lie generally, that, iu cenlecjucuce of tlie nequeb j of fotne of his friends, he hat opened a Mutical I 3ch»ol at hishoufe in Spr»ce btre 't No 174, where j he will teach os the Pi mo forte, Violin &c. Ike— ! He deenas it urinectiTary to enlarge upon tne »d. vantagcVthe learner will dsrjve from an instituti on of he will only fay, that attention and zeal are much cxciied in an afiVmbly, where numbers are in pursuit of the fame ohjefl. His arrangement is such, that an interference of the th: differ.ntfexeswill l)es\oided Thcfe Ladie» and GentUmm who cannot make it convenient ro attend at his fchi ol he wil! wait upon at their houses Applications will'te thankfully recdv. Ed at his houfj, T.hcrc l.is tei'nis and furtherparu culars may be kr.^wi). Dec. 7,