From ths Virginia Gazette. To Samuel J. Cabell—in Congress. Silt, r I trove often heard of people's being Con demned without judge or jury—but I am. lure you cannot fey U>is has been your cafe. Your letters have been seen, read and fairly v judged of bv all America ; and even your best friends, and meanest relations have con demned them. A court and jury you fay have parted sentence upon theft). You, may therefore, fairly be said to have been tried by your peers. After all this, coramon prudence ought tor ha\>e dictated to you to have committed yourfelf no further : But like one who has fuffered all the disgrace of condemnation, a reprieve has been of no o ther service to you, than to prepare you the better for the prafectition of your favorite pfaftice. We must, therefore, try you a gain fpr this new offence of later borrowing. I will not, however, make the charge of bom-wing this last rag of knowledge from the letter manufactory of Philadelphia, the only charge against you, but will try the thing on iii real merits as if it was actually your own. The charge then now turns upan a def cantation on the duty of courts and juries, and their rights to intermeddle with the free dom and independence of your thoughts Without a t(uibble, we may fairly try this kit production, before any court and jury, without intermeddling much, with the free dom and indzpendehce of your thoughts, if the gener.ii conjecture be true, of that independ ence -confiding chiefly in the right of substi tuting the thoughts atjd fentiment# of others for your own. But,as you are the firft man in /America who has had thehonorof object ing to the trial by eburt and jury, I will leave freedom and independence of your borrowing ttie thoughts 'of others, which is but a mere perfonil riling, to the true en joyment, of these independent confederations, and examine into your objections to 'the court and jtiry mentioned in your address, which indeed are of Tome confequerice to the real liberties of this country. Unfortunately for fonse of those who bow down with the moil constant and loud pro fcflions of love and admiration, to .the god dess of liberty, they view the lovely medal on but one fide only. They are friends to the " liberty and independence of thought" only while that liberty and independence of thought consists in adopting the thoughts of otlv.rs, and turning them particularly to their use, this appears to be wholly the a mount of your idea of the liberty and inde penderice of thought—which you appear to have borrowed, with many other excellent things, from that favorite Republic, which is now rambling all over the world with its destructive armies, and compelling all the na tions it can to be free —but upon its otvn terms. One of the terms upon which they have compelled some nations to be free, is, that they subscribe to governments similar to their own. One of the excellent traits of their government, I believe at the time when they set Holland free, and it is pretty much thepra£tice Hill, was the happy knack which the demccrsts had of dispensing with the little ceremonies and formalities of courts and juries in the trial ofthe ari/locrais. Those tribunals, might, perhaps have exercised 1 some liberty andindependence of thought," as well as the democrats, and thereby have stopped the effufron of so much innocent— filch horrid sluices of infant and female blood. You fir, it is well Jcnown, have laboured as far as your feeble efforts could effeft it, to prevail on the people of this country to . make no resistance—or rather, to join those "bloody monsters in cafe they should invade your country ; and you have now fubferibed , your,name to another inflammatory address, calculated to render the institution of courts and juries unpopular, if it is calculated to | do any thing, in order to make way for those noble consequences which flowed ' from the want of them in France, whose ( principles you so much adore, and have thus attempted to introduce here. ; The Judges of the Federal Court you ar- ( raign for becoming abandofpolitical preach- - tjrs (as you are pleased to call them) and go- j ing about with unwarrantable sermons to support the governmentofthe United States. ' This appears to be the substance of the charge against them. Admitting it in its fulleft latitude then, to what.does the charge Theinfinuation goes to fhewthat they have nothing to do with politics. In { the name of common sense, what is theju- j diciary, who are the judges of this country ? t Are they not a branch of the American go vernment, bound to fuppert that govern- J ment, at well as evefy other branch of it, v toth by the nature of their relationship with ■ the government and their oath ? What is the government they are thus bound to sup port, what the laws of that government, which your adopted address seems to admit is their duty to expound to do justice bet- •ween individuals, if they are not a part of the political-arrangements of this country ? j HoW then arc the judges poflibly to avoid political difcuflions, and giving their poli- r tical opinions between the government and individuals, and yet do their duty ?—Sup- Q pose the government, or rather a part ofthe f government, wa6 to attempt to abridge you ; in any of your rights—For inflance, to im- , pref3 you as a seaman, or pretend to enlist yon as a soldier, to fight against the French, would you not then think that the judiciary li Ihoulil interfere ? And what would that interfe- v rence be,- but one of the greatest political si cueftions that could arise between an indivi- - dual and a state ? Why not then, when the k injury is attempted to be reversed from the I individual to the state,' fuffer the judge to y interpose a little political advice ? a You (or rather the person who writes for o you) seems to admit, that if you had done rr any thing criminal, die judge was, right.— d That is admitting, I suppose, that- a judge, fc though he be a federal judge, has a right to tl give it in charge to a jnry, is tacit--duty, to present ail Monies, such as tiViibi, murder, and all other capital o3lucc:;-—-but, tTyit everything that falls Wo w tljs dainty of any other punishment, but u bare prefent -11 ment of a jury, is not cognizable in that ,U ' way. You (hould haye remembered, in the j-' fr.ft place, .that yon were not the proper judge of the degree of yoilrov.'n guilt. And 11 in the fecand place, it is a fa£t, Well knijwn n " to ev'ery one who has ever been a juryman } in any part of America, that there are cer 'a'll offences which cannot be punished in a any other way, but by the censure of." na ln ked prefentini nt." Adin tting it to be it a J'^S e to enter into a j- history of the rife and progress of juries, which certainly cannot be told over too of ten to the real lovcrsfif iioerty, and to enter into an explanation of their dutr in tliepre e | fentment of actual offences against the laws, which are certainly a political grievance, I •j. fee not how your letters, which had, been ' condemned as a political petty-larceny by 11 every hangman in the (late, were poflibly to e escape. c But, fir, admitting every thing that is 7 fald in that paper against the .judge to be right, though in fad he had said nothing about you, your letters,or any one else, in '' his charge, how is what is there said of the jury, to be reconciled to that love which you pretend to have for the " freedom and in s dependence of thought." ' The jury by whom that presentment was | made, was compofcd of the free and inde , pendent citizens of Virginia, who were as much entitled4o think and aft for themselves as any other citizens of Amirica—the mem bers of Congrtfs themselves even not except ed, UnlefsSt can be proved, then, that the | jury was packed ( which you dare not aflert) they are no more chargeable with having a&ed wrong, for having exercised their " freedom and independence of thougTit," than you youtfelf were entitled to prefer ' your oiun " freedom and independence (& ' j thought," to the borrowing of the genius ' o.f a Madifon'in the composition of the let they presented. And whoever is acquaint!, ed with the jury, and will look over the pan,nel, as you have invited them, will as clearly fee, that. there was no more of the influence of an Iredell in the prefentiycnt, there was the genius of a Madifou in the letters. Here then- you and the jury (land upon exaftly even ground with refpeft to the " freedom and independence of thought," which is the mighty and impor tant burthen of this last political ditty. But how do you stand in this last attempt, with refpeft to the a&ual means of securing the liberties and independence of your coun try ?—Juries, although I believe we are in debted to that wretched place, Great-Bri tain, for their institution (and this is bne of the reasons, perhaps, why you ha* the ex-> ercife of their power so- much) have ever been considered the great palladium of A merican, as well as Bntifh liberty. Which do you really think would be best, then, for the people to join you in yonr " INDIG NATION" to awe those ufeful institutions from the exercise of their " freedom and in dependence of thought," or fuft'er them to go on without reproach, as they think ne cessary and right, to expose the follies of a few little letter-writing politicians in Coin grefs ? It might indeed be a valuable thing to , those gentlemen no other means of supporting their popularity, to establish the doftrine of their conduit's being held sacred and above inquiry, while in Congress. But after an attempt to deft roy that which ought always to be attached to c6urts and juries, to make way for that kind of facred nefs in the representative branch of the go vernment, whit would the people have to expect ? Could they be surprised to fee that bran eh attempt to eredt itfelf into any thing, which the fame love of popularity, that sug gested the firft attempt might invite them 1 to in a more promising degree ? It is to the ' preservation of the independence of the ju- 1 diciary, I had always thought, that we were ' to look for the salvation of liberty. While ! you arc Handing as a ccntincl, then, over the 1 " freedom and independence of the valuable 1 thoughts" of MefTrs. Claiborne, Clopton, ( New, and yourfelf, I {hall stand a3 an hum- I bleadvocate for the RIGHTS of JURIES, 1 and a constant' expofer of the many follies f and improprieties which such writers are en- j deavoring to impose on the people in their' own favor. For after all that has been said about the ' court and jury's " overawing the freedom of thought," can there poflibly be a more a- 1 larming attempt, than for the members of e the legislature to call up the terror of the 1 people, to overawe the courts and juries in } their favor ? Really, lir, this last attempt, | which cannot be repeated too often, dr (hewn J in too many different shapes, if possible, ex- j Ceeds the firft, in which you endeavored to prevail on the people to join the French x againjl themfel-ms. But, fortunately, both 1 attempts are equally absurd ; and the execu- J tfon nothing more than a ridicule of the de sign. Whenever I look into one of your J letters as a mere matter of curiosity, as I 1 seldom do for any thing else, I feel an al- J molt irrefiftable inclination to laugh. But when I turn my refledliona from, that fourc<£ v of merriment, to the diftrift you reprefent < 1 1 feel an involuntary,propenfity to weep. For r if it be true, that there is a delign to increase ' the powers of the union, whether it be by 1 * I have Complied with your request in i looking over the names of the grand jury, t who you iiftinuate were all foreigners but a y few—l know them all, I think ; except two t —-Thef- may be foreigners for ought -1 y know—The reft are native Americans, apd ,t I will •venture-to fay as valuable citizens aa t yourfelf, though not members of Congress ; J and if you will be at the trouMc of looking t over their names again, yourfelf, I think you t may expedt to hear frrtfn fotne of them in.a $ different way, than through, the,new/papers, ft for your dark and falfe iafipuatioiis against e ; them. rj 0 the atjjheraf.. or usmseralU exet tlofis of jts ', members, what (alas *) must.be the chance it cf for its dai« /hareAn the diftri >F bution of those powers ?—Fur Heaven fake thai, if ycit have nj delicacy-and tendcr it ness for yourfelf, have -some small cotripaf e fion for the poor unfortunate diftritt you r roprefent, at least; and write no- more for d the press. n The people fend you to Congress, as I n have once tJd you before, lir, to do'their •- business ; and not to employ all your time n in writing letters. - They wish to hear from i- you, as other diftri&s do from their re^re e fentatives, in the exercise of your duty, a through the debates,' and 'not through the channel of those bad!y-lctter compofcd-com - mon-place-party fayiugs, which they get in t all the newspapers, at ieaft a week, before '- they do throiigh those ponderous bales from i, your letter copartnery. 'lt would answer 1 tlit valuable, end of flawing them what was n really the " free and independent thoughts" y of their own rggrefentative-—and wr i*)d fur o nilli the means of a more fair- and juit ap preciation of those real thoughts which I s promise you lhall never be neglefted,'by your e friend and real conftjtucnt, r , TIMOTHY TICKLE. P. S. I will not be so wanting in candor however, as to conceal from you, that, not withstanding your many errors and party violence, there are two or three in this part of the world who thinly with you ; nor will I be so ungenerous as to keep from you the " free and independent opinions" of one of those friends, which you,are entitled to, in 5 aid of some others which have already been published in your favor. It is a letter pic ked up in the road, supposed to have been " dropped by the port on its way to you. ,1 have dire&ed the printer to publilh it in all ; its valuable originality of " freedom of: thought," falfe grammar and bad spelling ; as it would be wrong, you know, to inter . fere with your friends liberty and right to ' disgrace themselves, I have only subjoined a few notes ps my own by way of expla nation. The very firft line of the letter fitewi ■'the relationlhip which your corre spondent claims. to cousin fammyraia//by the poll boy. , dear cousin, i take up my pen to inform yofi that your last £ifle has come to hand, you dont think how the rifticats thatyou tokt so much about grind at the prefentcment of the gu ree against you. but for my part it made me right mad. thr court and some of the guree you no ar men of laming, and I hate your men of laming, and they dont like us you may depend upon it cousin caball.— but i like you for that refon. for a repre fentive ot to be a reprefentive you no. he ot to represent what he is intended to rep resent. and how wood a man of laming be a good representation of a magouetee of your * colleges, what beter cood be expefted then'from a Court where there was a gudge upon the bench and a gudge in the guree room, every body m*tft no that they wood be Ihore to go rong and contrary law. i dont like that fame fiddral court at tall, you no. it was them that made your good old f—in —law pay a large old britifli det which ru ined him. and them' dets you no ot not to be paid, what didyou and we poor mifliflee men site so d—d hard for last war if our best friends and deereft relafhons are to be ruin ned at last to pay these old brittlfh mar chunts acconts. i oone myfelf aod.i never j will pa it as long as i can get. such good fel- ' lows as you and some of your fupporttrs to 1 stand by me and cry down the fiddral cauft | and gurees. in (hort i think all Qtir courts | and gurees have too much power, they ot | not to be fuffered to think as thay plafe.— c cant you get a law paced in congress that if j thay think and aft contrary to law that all < thay doo (hall go for nothing, i think with the ajfjijlanct of my cousin jtles ond some of ' the reft of Our.frencli funftionarrties f you | might have it done, and then you might • right and fay what you please you no. and s the gurac wuld have no right to think about < it. "but ant it strange that you congress 3 jnen will let one of the gudges from ireland ' come over here and aft as a gwdge and a preacher too both at once, i suppose if t this fame ireland gudge or gudge ireland v gudges of the law all the weke and then \ preaches about religion of as you 1 lade he mutt be pade for both, and i realy r think as one of your friends noes who has | V ritten in the papers about it and fays he has | been treeted very hofpitally in vurginnee. v that our good bacun and collards that hu a eats so much off when he rides here_ so fur upon one off his long towers gust to present 1 your litters which he fays is to do so much v good in this country against his is pay anus j for his emty irish guts, this was a good hit g In your friend dont you think it was to tell j, him how he was treeted in your country where he had treeted you so il. and therefore n that he did not dtfirve any better than to be told off it. igad i think he was up with '' him for his presentment. wont he now upon the hole, that is to fay. by the by. as i j, herde some of your common fox fay. who ti fay a word and then give you another of the ' fame fort to explatle it you no. it is true h what you have said in your last fine pise. ye- 1 delefit. to wit. that 110 moral truth can be more true tha that palitikal truth that is true, or something like that, tantemount ? there four every thing that you have fade t must be twice true, etcetteree andfo fourth. " i forgot to tell you that j; alias morn's and tempore the taylor are determined to be* " your enemies at the next leftion. and i raly " beleve from what i have heard thay will do - ( you a grate deal off herro. i advise you t | .therefore when you right again only right c to your friends, and tel urn to clear away n your litters off ove thare hobs and jams after! w thay have red um for seer some more of 1 P these larned mfn may come in and after- j wards git on tlxe gurees. but above all.— ; Hick to your sentry box s« you have promif- j 0 ed. and continue to hallow and jEake'all the 'ft racket yqji can and aud as you fav y«u w;'-* tt ■. 'i, s against thc#;aVerainent cousin caialland you e (hall everjiave the vate and interest of your i- fmcers irienu and near relation. e _ fimonfimple. notty binny. give my kind love and farvis I - to couiin jiles. unkle clabum. brother'clap u ton. daddy new. curnul all ray r friends and £ood Fellows*, granny diner who danced with you so much at the la ft I le&ion and got you so many votes thank 9 r you for your lad kind and loving piM iio e more at present. but all is well and hop'; n this will find you in fame citeation. f. f. * Simon here means cwiftttuents I fup e 'pose. But lijs own word will do full as well, ' . ' ~ f I suppose Simon means by this a word e which I obfefve Mr. Giles hasjnft received from the French mint, which coins a great r many delightful words a3 well as principles s for this country'-s coxcombs, apes and pe > dants. J He takes alias and m ires for Ellas Mor ris, some conftitueiit of his cousin's, t fup [ pose. And no wonder -that poor Sinion r (hould be run into such an error by his cou sin's learning, when we are told that one of his ablest advocates on being asked meaning of 0 tempord ! 0 mores ! after pauf r ing a little and considering that much was said in that letter of speculators, bankrupts, • &c. and reflecting at tin; fame time on the J lownefs of iertain notes, that it was an ad ' vice to be temperate in Morris's note--. In ; (hort it is impoflible to number the various tranflatiofis land uses that have been made of ■ these celebrated words, or to mfeafure the 1 demand that theft letters have been in, and still are. The Duke of Cumberland's love letters never were in' higher demand, nor i more deservedly. I [Notty binny, as. Simon fays—l have j taken the liberty' of aiarking some of Si ' mons words to be printed in italics. Indeed some of his fritfuds names, as he has spelt ( them, defprve to be written in ■ letters of gold.] T. T. From the Farmer's Weekly Mvfeum. " When mill the new moan be gone that lii?ie and beautiful of ° nature, vivified "by theregent of the world," f will naturally excite, in a good mind, the pro- ci per emotion. Of extafy four pr* Ibyter, by tbofe whom ! advise, if I f e . i f? 1 " r Sunday ac«i«intance, gentlemen ;i as well aschriflians. ft /.. dinner w)£h feme liberal clergymen, tha' : 3 " a dinner of herbs," uill prove a better refec tion thsn j pofatibh feaft. ' , Tiicaftemooo will jJafs without mu- Prftine are not recommended, but the moral s ■ •Yuhng, and the etithiifiailiiGray. , At the close of such a dty, the otiferverof it (1 will not repine that Neligfuo' and the Laws re- fufe.ppce a week,to perrurr the sowing of wheat, oir the lale of corn. He will rejoice in this ta bernacle of reft, and though delighting, at pro rs _ per periods, in buGnef? and the ?.gi:atior.s of - life, will nit forf'ketht water? of that Sabbath of Siloam which flow fofty. the lay preachkr. n NORFOLK, jHly 6. ViceConfulfhip of Virgin*, f Norfolk, J due 30th, 1797. The Vice-Conlul of theFrenA Republic, to' * the Mayor of Norfolk s Sir, ~ I received the honour of your letter of g the 29th inftj I embrace the opportunity . that now presents itfelf to devdope my opin -1 wn, and to teftify my gratitude to you and s the court, for the ready attention you have f- afforded to the objeft of my reclamation: e may it be permitted me to assure you that 1 n <3 one desires more than friyfelf to fee a uni . J on exist.between thi French and the iuhabi r j tants of this" town. On the firft aggreflion (of.whi ? h Commodore Barney narrowly es caped being the viaim) a fever? order'was . ifiued on board the frigates to prevent any [ fe'tmen from leaving the ships, except thole Vvho were necessary for the service, although F our laws permit in port 'the tenth part of the crews to be daily on shore—thus they wtfre punilhed for havingbeen iiirulted—this was a facrifice they voluntarily made to the - public tranquility, although ' they knew ' that there is not a code on earth that inflifts on the innocent, punilhmeritsl incurred, by the culpable. I need not recall to your remembrance the discreetness and moderation that have distinguished the French erews du ring their stay i;i this port. Your predeces sor has done justice to them in his letter to the commander.' If, notwithstanding so much prudence and precaution, they have been exposed to new aggressions, arguments will not then invalidate fa&s. I have efta blilhed my. demands on a chain (series) of insults that the French have experienced. Is it true, that the officers and sailors in the service of the Republic have been insulted andoneaffaulted >ls it true,that they havenot hitherto received any other fatisfaftion than assurances that these excesses should not be renewed by the individuals who committed them ? When these excesses are repeating in an arlarming manner, and that the a'g greffors experience only the flight inconve nience of furnifhing a fecurlty,. (alVays rea dy to be found, for their future conduft,) in agreeing with the magistrates, that their laws of police are obflacles'to their zeal; it remains, at the fame time certain, that as •long as the guilty are. not punished, justice has not been executed; that is,, that no pun lfhment has been infli&ed, and, opt that justice was not granted, as your translator (from whom the true meaning of my expres sions escaped ) understood It. To do justice on an individual, lignifies in our language, to punish him. I should not liavs entered into this gram mdrical explanation if I was not jealous (delir ous) not to leave any doubt with the court of the motives that animate me (I am ani mated by.) With refpeft to the tlifpute arisen between an American and a French officer, permit me to oßferve, thßt it is not here an individnal dispute that does not'require theimerpofi tlon of-the magistrates. A cdmlat in the high ways* an alfembly (a cv«wd)of people, in which a French officer was assailed by his firft adversary, and many other f>er/ons, and in danger of his life, are not events that can be remedied by an addition to the laws of polite ness, but that can be prevented by reiiiforce ing the laws of individual ferurity. Mr. Saundei's conduft is aggravated by another ciime ; Has he not broke open the doors ef a Frenchman's hoUse (Mr. Blondel) t in pursuit of his antagotiift.' t I have made my and I again request you to have "regard to it. Farther, Sir, my duty with the magistrates is to be the defender of oppressed Frenchmen. I deelare to you, that no one feels with more watmth than I do, the smallest insults offered to any Frenchman whatever ; and it is because I desire with so much ardour to prc ferve the harmony that ought to exitt bet ween the two natifins, that I repelled with more firmnefs the attacks of individuals, whose toi» declared hatred endeavours to rend afuniier tl,-o, ties that I would wish to fee drawn c'lofer be tween France and tl:e United States. If the warmth of my denunciations againfl repeated aggreflions can prevent a (ingle one for the future, or ftifle a tingle fubjeft of com plaint between a Frenchman and an Ameri can, I shall belme that I rander equalfervice to your country-and mj* own. I repose at present on the venjreauce of {he laws and on the equity of the judges, for te paration of the attck committed by several ot the inhabitants united, in open day, and in the street, on a Frenel-officer in uniform, and without arms, and whatever may be the judgment obtained L fhail efteera myfelf too happy, if it is the last of thrking I shall have occasion to folicit^ Receive, Sir, and please to prefetil to the court, the afftirance of my rttbrft. (Signed) DUHAIL. Sir, I have the honor, to iiiform you, that every attention has been paid to the contents of your letter of yesterday—we consider the