Ifb^ Wayne's dell re, I have KfiftoV to ! lfrrrm you tar my having received from tfie Gover- Jior-Gfenrnl of this Province, information £ refpectin? the ratification bf the TtcSty of j £ Friendflup, Navigation aad Limits, between v the King-my master, and the United Statet c of America. You haVe seen in this letter c whHi I have read to you, that I have or- c: d.rirnqt to prevent in the Iraft the going " U-jv/n the Mifiifippi of the Commiffitfners (i appointed on the part bf the ,United States fj to fix the limitafemd of the troops who are 0 to accompany them ; but that in the mean si time lie orders me to tell them, that the eva- t< cuati.on of the posts cantiot take place until the time of high waters. I will beg leave £ to observe to you, that although this is the 0 affirmative answer that Gen. Wayne spoke t cf, yet as he fays that the troops, who are « to take ppffeffion of the posts, are now -o Waiting at Fort Maflac, their coming down the river immediately, that is, before the 11 "fcigh- waters, would be somewhat fopner than the Governoi--Geheral of this Prbvin.ce n fcems to expett, and fotuewhat contrary to p JMajor-General Wayne's own intentions, — v . since he" tells the Baron de. Carbndelet, to h appoint the raoft convenient time for the * evacuation of the posts. I hope yon will j.' , be so good as to make that obserVation to ( j such officers as are in possession bf General c Y/ayne's ordep refpe&ingthe taking of pof-' }j session of the posts, and at the fame time to t make them sensible of the convenier.cy it ■will be to both the Americans and the Span- J; iards to wait for a more proper season for the t tranfpert of artillery, baggage, provisions, &c. which could not be moved at this pre- v scut time, without'much trouble and' risk on c account of the river being so remaikably- t low, as to render its navigation very dange- f rot}?. I hive tte honor to be, Sir, t Your most obedient, t and very humble servant, r CharlEs De Hault De Lasses, f - Lieutenant Colonel in his Catholic ■ Majesty's service, and commander of the post of New Madrid. To Lieut. Taylor. c DEPARTMENT OF STATE, f roth junb, 1797. t I hereby certify, That the foregoingdocu- < tnents numbered from Ito 21, inclusive, — * are true copies of the original communica- 1 tion from Andrew Ellicott, Esq. the Com- , miffioner of the United States, appointed j. to run the Boundary Line between their I Territory and hia Catholic Majesty's Colo- f r.ies of East and Weft Florida, to the St;- c cretary of State. GEORGE TAYLOR, JUN. Chief Clerk. ( > / *(No. 10.) J Mr. Ellicott's compliments to his 1 friend Governor Gayofo, and wishes to be 1 mfortned, whether the following informa- tion which he received this day " that all ( the works at the Chickefaw Bluffs have been , either demolished '.i,\ tlie li'npef or ihippers ot tire said catgo, , j and (he owner 0T owner! of"Rich fcip at' velfel, ! t j 1 .Mr, Varnum moved to have theconfid- t eration of this bilT postponed till the firft ( Monday in November ; but was informed 1 his motion was not in order. t .Mr, W. Smith moved the order of the ; day on the bill ft>r raising an additional corps < of artillery. 1 Mr. Gallatin moved that the Commit- 1 tee of th e whole be discharged fur- j 1 ther consideration of this bill. He made : 1 this motion, he fnid, for the purpose of 1 shortening the difcufiion ; because, if it ' should be the opinion of a majority, that it j was not proper- to go into the consideration j of this fubjeft at present, there would be ; ' no use 'in going into a Committee of the whole. He did not think, it connected with the business upon which they were especial ly called. To carry it into effeft would at j least cost 300,000 dollars, and no adequate ! benefit would be derivec from it. Mr. Williams said, before he voted on ' this queftipn, he should be ghd to hear ; from the Secretary of War what was the present number of our troops, and where ! the.y were stationed. At present he was of opinion that the men we had were fufficient; ; though he allowed it was necessary that time j fhoukl be -given for artillerists to learn their duty. He should vote for going into a ! Committee of the whole. ' Mr. W. Smith objected to the motion, ! as, if carried, it would amount to a reje&iou | of the bill. He was against it, because he conceived the bill to be necessary ; and he thought it would appear to be so, from the ! argument of the gentleman himfelf who i brought forward this motion, as he had told them, when the fubjeft of fortification was under -consideration, that if 115,000 dollars were appropriated, it would be necessary to have additional artillery to take care of the new forts. He should, therefore, to be confident, withdraw his motion. The fame gentleman had yesterday said this corps would cost 400,000 dollars a year to-day he liid three ; but Mr. S. said, he had a . calculation, by which it appeared it would only cost 200,000. Tie gentleman last tip had wished for in • formation as to the stationing of the present : corps. He had in his hand a letter from the Secretary of war to the chair | man of the Select Committee of the Senate, i who reported this bill. ( He read it ; from whicl it appeared that there were 350 pri vates at the differeat forts oa the Atlantic, aad the remainder on the Western Frontier) Theft 350 men were said to be necessary to keep the garrisons in repair, and that no part !>f the men on the Western Frontier z could be detached from thence, as it was e probaUe their presence prevented a r War or the frontier from Tennessee to Geor i gia. To (hew the neceffit'y of- force on the - frontiar, Mr. S. read a letter and affidavits from louisville, giving an account of a mur e der ani other disorders committed by the :, Indiari. , » Btf»re the late reduflion Mr. S. said, the numba: of the privates in our eftablifnment i was 4980, and when the 832 additional 1- men proposed to be raised were added to the [- prefeni establishment, it would be less by o 1132 men than it then was. He hoped therefcre they -should go into a Committee it of the whole, and finally agree to the bill, a as he vifhed not only to have men now to t keep the works in repair, but to use the e guns, if there should be occasion. . h Mr. Nicholas observed, that two rea d sons wtre given by the Secretary of war for i- this actional corps ; one was, that there I- were ipt men enough to keep the works in d repair ; the other was, that it was necessary h to havfe ifcen to use the guns, if necessary. -- With lefpeft to the moaey voted yesterday if for fortifications he understood it was in :- tended to be expended on the forts already e built, aid not that new ones should be built, s When these forts were firft erected, nothing !t more was. contemplated, than putting so if many inert into them as Wonld be able to d keep them in repair. They were built in if populous parts of the country, and if they d were attacked the inhabitants would be rea e dy to froteft' them. The militia of New d J York, Philadelphia and Baltimore, he doubt- Ed not, tii cafe of danger, would ijocktocje ■ w ' fend their fortifications. I ta Mr. N. read a letter of the Secretary of tl War.in January last, ia Which he raeiltioncd tl that the fortifications were generally in good g' (late, except a few on which the ravages of tl .limp had made some inroads, and which o would require 4,000 dollars to repair. He In thought this account and thi present were* U at variance. He wif ■- War had said (and if he meant to have gi- al gen information to the House, he ought to si have said it) how many men were hi this re- 01 gimeut; because, if it were full, 55° al td- fc lerifts would be oa the Western frontiers, f{ which he could not believe were neeeffiiry.- b He believed the truth was, the regiment was " not more thaa two-thirds full. Mr. N. de- t; nied that our eftablifhihent' would be less by ii 1132 men, if this corps wafc kidded ; for tho' the establishment had appeared larger pn r paper, it had never, in faft", exceeded 3,000, u or 3500 men. He believed there had not h been any a£tual reduction of men. Nor c did he believe the gentleman from- Penlifyl- p vania was far wrong when he estimated the u proposed new regiment at an expence of tl 400,000 dollars per year, as the constant £1 annual expence of the establishment was from 12 to 1500,000 dollars. When mean fures of this kind were proposed, they were d persuaded they would colt nothing, but o when they were gone into, the expence was r found continually to i'nereafe. He hoped b they should not go into a Committee of the t whole. , h Mr. Brookes thought it was firft neceffa- n ry to enquire whether these additional men n were necessary. He thought the vote of t yesterday conveyed some "idea of danger, f and if defence was neceffary,lt mull be al- c lowed that forts without artillcrifts would n do no good; but gentlemen seemed to go • t upon an idea'that there was no danger. lls v thought differently, and he believed a majo- t rity of the House thought so. He denied v that militia-men would be proper to be pla ced in these fortifications, and allied gentle- a men how they v could answer to their con Iti- t tuents, if they went away without doing 1 any thing, and an attack should be made up- r on our coast ? He thought nothing had tar ken place in Europe which placed us in a better fitu3tion ; but that we, on the con- a trary, should be doubly vigilant. He truft-. t !ed they should not be lulled 40 sleep by fair c ; representations. He was for going into a t ! Committee of the whole. . i | Mr. Varnum supposed the gentleman last t jup had received some new information, since 1 !he put his negative to the i>ill providing for 1 the fortifying of ourports. What that in- i I formation might be, he' could not tell—He 1 had received none. The gentleman from 1 ! S. Carolina had indeed rftid some papers t ! giving an account of a murder on the- si on- 1 j tier by the Indians, and of.a woman firing 1 ' at them. But was this a fuificient reason for t ; raising a frefh regiment of artillerists ? He 1 believed not ; they sometimes heard of mur- < ! ders among civilized people ; and therewere < modes of punishment, without the aid of mi- i , litary force. He believed when the present j regiment of artillerists was fall, there, would be men fufficient for every pvrpofe. The 1 ! measures of gentlemen Mr. V. said, went ) to a deftru&ion of national credit, by pufh j tug every expensive objtjft they could lay. j hold of. The United States had pledged themselves to make good engagements at certain periods ; he thought these should be firft fatisSed, aad then, if there were any surplus, gentleman might, perhaps, be in dulged in a favorite measure. If indeed, there was any foundation for what had jfal len from the gentleman from Connecticut," that we were on the eve of a war. then, in stead of 900, it would be necessary to raise 150,000 men ; or if we were to declare war upon France, in cafe she did certain things". 1 He did not, however, believe that gentle man's do&rine. It was time, Mr. V. said, that the fenfr . of the people should be exprefTed to the President of the United States, in favor of ■ peace, that no irritable measures might be : taken. He did not believe there was any 1 danger of war,except from provocative mea sures on our part. (The Speaker spoke to , order.) Mr. V. concluded with fayftig he 1 hoped the bill would not be committed. Mr. M'Do vel l^vas against going into , a committee of the whole, because additions! I men were unnecessary for the peace eftablifh > ment, and if war was contemplated, they > would be wholly inadequate. Militia, he r said, were the proper defence of this coun -3 try, and deprecated the idea of a Handing 1 army which was the sonftant attendant upon - despotic governments. : Mr. Harper said, if the bill were to be s reje&ed, he thought it ought firft to under - go a difcufiion in a committee of the whole. : Did the gentleman from Pennsylvania shrink from an examination of the principles of this e bill ? Or was it because he was unwilling t his negative should stand against it! If he 1 were not, he thought he ought not to en e deavour by a fide-wind to throw it out.—* y Why, said Mr- H. was the bill pasTed for i fortifying the ports of the United States, e if men were not to be put into them ? They , would be useless, and their conduft would > appear ludicrous and absurd. He could ac ; count for this mode of aftiirg in gentlemen who had determined to do nothing for the 1- defence of the country ; but for gentlemen r who voted for fortifying, he could not dif e cover their consistency in being opposed to n this measure. y Gentlemej cou'd not be serious hi sup - posing that the liberty of this country Would y be endangered by 900 additional men". In 1- expreffmg an opinion of this kind, they y shewed a low opinion of their constituents. :. Gentlemen had frequently argued as if we g were to hold our liberties at the will of the o French nation, but he could not have fup o posed they would have exprefTed a fear of n this kind* y But if there-were danger, gentlemen said 1- the measure would not be effectual. It could .v not be supposed tliat these men "were to pro test the country against invasion ; no, they w«r« to prote& our tea-ports again it the at tacks ot" privateers and: pirater. Some gen tlemen fay appearances are tlattetiilg, and there is no appreheniTon ot danger. The gentleman from Maffachufctts said we were threatened witn war, and fubiniffidii could only fecnrfr.us in peace ; so that we were to hy ourfelvps at the mercy of an offended fo teigrter t ,and fay, " Wehave been very wr-ong,' and beg you will spare us." He attributed all this to a wiifh to prevent measures of de fence from being taken ; for in one way or other, every defen'fi've operation was opptv fed. On the. contrary, he wished t6 shew a spirit to repel the injuries we had received, by putting inns into our hands, and frying, " We mean to do juffice, but to repel at tack," nor could he fee any ciufe of offence in a condu£t of this kind. Mr. Shepard said, if thete man\tere not railed, many of the fortifications would be , useless, and denied that putting our fortVarid harbors in a ft ate of defence, coa'.d give juit cause of offeiice to the French. He said the plan of fortifications was originally laid out upon too large a scale, and would not allow that militia could be used to advantage in fortifications, Mr. G.'les did not believe that these men were raised with a view to any present danger, but that advantage had been taken of this season of alarm to increase our milita ry establishment; he was therefore against it, because he believed the present eftablifliment too large by one half. "Gentlemen, he said, had been charged with taking humiliating measures ; but he thought it was more hu miliating to tike a measure of this kind, on the ground of danger, than to oppose it, from a conviAiOn that it was meant to in create the peace establishment. The gentle man last up spoke like a hero ; he truftad • they should all aft like heroes when danger was at hand ; but at the distance he now thought it, he saw no use iu the gentleman's vaunting. If this bill parted, he said, there wo\il - tr y- . n An argument of the gentleman from S. e Carolina (Mr. Harper) was conclusive with n him for not wishing to go into this fubjeft. (- He stated there was only a surplus of 30 o „ or 40,000 dollars of revenue (though he was of a different opinion) and this obje£t would require at least 500,000 dollars. d Mr. Gallatin said, when he brought n this motion before .the Koufe, it was not, as y had been stated, to get rid <>f the fubjeft by s. a fide wind. They hod been three day 6 up 'e on a bill, oi small importance when compared ie with this, in proposing and reje&ing amend )- and he thought it would save time to jf -determine at once upon the principle of this bill. He juftified the measure as parliaiften d tnry. If he could have conceived, it would Id have occafioried so long a debate, he believed 3- however he should not have made it; and if j there was any one fr.an ju the Hoyfe who